@dessalines@lemmy.ml I’m not a developer could you explain this?

The server operators, or anyone who gets that data, can see a map of who is talking to whom.

!citation needed

Trust me bro

Yeah, this is the viable security model.

I’m not a developer, but if the client and server code is open (AGPLv3), you can definitely know what they do or store.

you can never validate what code a server is running

Really? if so how can we trust Lemmy?

Isn’t it reproducible?

You think we’re living in an ideal world, but we’re not. Most of our family and friends use WhatsApp and other big tech messaging apps. You make valid points, but they’re just a dream if messaging means people and if there aren’t people, it’s not messaging.

Isn’t Telegram is a Social Media?

This is exactly what’s wrong with social media platforms and I don’t want to use anything like that.

That’a trading freedom for “convenience”

They listed their sources before and they removed https://web.archive.org/web/20231228222303if_/https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html

But than this month they write a blog https://blog.kagi.com/waiting-dawn-search and revealed everything again

Vendor 	Status
Mojeek 	Direct license
Brave 	Direct license
Yandex 	Direct license
Wikipedia 	Direct license
TripAdvisor 	Direct license
Yelp 	Direct license
Apple 	Direct license
Wolfram Alpha 	Direct license
Our own Small Web Index 	Proprietary

With Google and Bing, we failed - not for lack of trying.

Bing: Their terms didn’t work for us from the start. Microsoft’s terms prohibited reordering results or merging them with other sources - restrictions incompatible with Kagi’s approach. In February 2023, they announced price increases of up to 10x on some API tiers. Then in May 2025, they retired the Bing Search APIs entirely, effective August 2025, directing customers toward AI-focused alternatives like Azure AI Agents.

Google: Google does not offer a public search API. The only available path is an ad-syndication bundle with no changes to result presentation - the model Startpage uses.

and “it doesn’t just act as a proxy for other search engines” it exactly does this, Teclis is <1% of the results (you can see yourself https://teclis.com/)

idk I’m not really a map app user for me it’s not that important

The service provided is not open source, or source available. The email clients are provided under a GPLv3 license, not the service itself.

It’s Open Washing (Gaining the marketing benefits without providing the freedoms)

https://isitreallyfoss.com/projects/proton-mail/

related: https://lemmy.zip/post/58480727/24450030

and https://マリウス.com/doubting-your-favorite-web-search-engine/

Kagi uses Bing and Google…

Maybe it’s CachOS?

why not just local backup for photos?

yeah but for navigation no need that CoMaps and Organic Maps is really good about that

Proton is good but “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket”

you can also do this: append farside.link/

yeah same here I just download and watch it’s very fast actually and I keep videos for 6 moths (in case if they removed)