We shouldn’t purity test a country that’s being invaded, regardless of whether it’s Palestine or Ukraine
An absurd thing to say when one of the countries is being genocided with western support and the other is run by actual seig-heiling nazis who were doing ethnic cleansing also with western support. To equivocate between the two is nonsensical, It’s the geopolitical version of equivocating between kicking in a door as part of a robbery and kicking in a door as part of a hostage rescue operation. But if you really must reduce everything down to black and white principles about what is and isn’t acceptable, try this one: There is never a good reason to side with nazis.
Also, I curse whoever came up with the thought-terminating cliche that is “purity testing”. In cooking and chemistry, in metallurgy and biology and a million other things, you need “purity testing” to achieve anything, because it turns out that making a habit of disregarding basic standards consistently leads to failure and disaster. I don’t cook with dirt, I don’t build out of bubblegum, I dont make tea with metal shavings and I don’t give critical support to genocidal goose-steppers.
The Nazi battalions are not the entirety of what Ukraine Germany is as a nation.
Yeah they’re only in charge, hardly anything important. But you’re right, I have changed my mind and now think that ten years of government-sponsored ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine is an acceptable price to pay for keeping the savage Muscovite on his toes
It is a proxy for an empire with even bigger bloodstains on its hands than Nazi Germany. The fact that NATO, and the US particularly, supports Ukraine to the point of making this war continue at all, rather than ending the same year it started, is evidence that the long term goals of empire are served by meeting Russia in the front. You might think it’s not fair to judge Ukraine for the actions or intentions of their supporters, but ultimately I’m concerned with the end of imperialism and capitalism; to “support” Ukraine (which in practice means supporting the military industrial complex) just means supporting my own oppression as a subject of American empire.
You are saying that ethnicity gives you an automatic unbreakable political convictions? Good, i’m very glad all the Slavic neonazis are the figment of my imagination, it would be impossible to support ideology that literally wanted to exterminate their people! Not to mention certain Jewish prime minister straight up publicly whitewashed Hitler of holocaust.
America had a black president, we’re still doing a fucking genocide dude. Hell, there were Jewish Holocaust participants. Stop grasping at straws and look at the obvious reality in front of your face.
I honestly believe that ethnic minorities in Eastern Ukraine are 100% better off under the current Russian military occupation than they were under the NATO backed fascist government that came to power via coup in 2014. I also honestly believe that just about everyone in Ukraine will undoubtedly be better off if Ukraine concedes that territory to Russia as soon as possible rather than continue to throw away lives into a meat grinder to stall an inevitable conclusion.
The ones who did in Crimea by voting to join Russia weren’t recognized internationally. In general though, if you’re in the middle of Ukraine and your family has lived there for centuries, even when Western backed fascists take over the country and start shelling you in the civil war, would you easily make the decision to leave for Russia instead of staying, trying to survive however you can? I think if people legitimately were invested in preserving the Ukrainian state’s territorial integrity, the press gangs wouldn’t be abducting people with vans, and the militias for the LPR and DPR wouldn’t have been able to recruit much of anyone at all.
Ukraine loses the war within the next 24 months since it has outlived its usefulness, the US pivots to the Pacific, and Europe doesn’t have the capacity to support it. What do you think happens when these reasonable moderates wearing Black Suns and Tottenkopf patches, armed to the teeth by NATO with any kind of weapon you can think of, are no longer fighting Russia?
Okay so what? They’re getting javelin missile launchers, tanks, drones, and who knows what else. Do you think the Azov Battalion would otherwise have access to that level of weaponry?
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An absurd thing to say when one of the countries is being genocided with western support and the other is run by actual seig-heiling nazis who were doing ethnic cleansing also with western support. To equivocate between the two is nonsensical, It’s the geopolitical version of equivocating between kicking in a door as part of a robbery and kicking in a door as part of a hostage rescue operation. But if you really must reduce everything down to black and white principles about what is and isn’t acceptable, try this one: There is never a good reason to side with nazis.
Also, I curse whoever came up with the thought-terminating cliche that is “purity testing”. In cooking and chemistry, in metallurgy and biology and a million other things, you need “purity testing” to achieve anything, because it turns out that making a habit of disregarding basic standards consistently leads to failure and disaster. I don’t cook with dirt, I don’t build out of bubblegum, I dont make tea with metal shavings and I don’t give critical support to genocidal goose-steppers.
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Yeah they’re only in charge, hardly anything important. But you’re right, I have changed my mind and now think that ten years of government-sponsored ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine is an acceptable price to pay for keeping the savage Muscovite on his toes
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It is a proxy for an empire with even bigger bloodstains on its hands than Nazi Germany. The fact that NATO, and the US particularly, supports Ukraine to the point of making this war continue at all, rather than ending the same year it started, is evidence that the long term goals of empire are served by meeting Russia in the front. You might think it’s not fair to judge Ukraine for the actions or intentions of their supporters, but ultimately I’m concerned with the end of imperialism and capitalism; to “support” Ukraine (which in practice means supporting the military industrial complex) just means supporting my own oppression as a subject of American empire.
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You are saying that ethnicity gives you an automatic unbreakable political convictions? Good, i’m very glad all the Slavic neonazis are the figment of my imagination, it would be impossible to support ideology that literally wanted to exterminate their people! Not to mention certain Jewish prime minister straight up publicly whitewashed Hitler of holocaust.
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“…for reasons that I cannot or will not elaborate on, but which are nonetheless self-evident”
So basically your argument is “nuh-uh”.
America had a black president, we’re still doing a fucking genocide dude. Hell, there were Jewish Holocaust participants. Stop grasping at straws and look at the obvious reality in front of your face.
I honestly believe that ethnic minorities in Eastern Ukraine are 100% better off under the current Russian military occupation than they were under the NATO backed fascist government that came to power via coup in 2014. I also honestly believe that just about everyone in Ukraine will undoubtedly be better off if Ukraine concedes that territory to Russia as soon as possible rather than continue to throw away lives into a meat grinder to stall an inevitable conclusion.
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The ones who did in Crimea by voting to join Russia weren’t recognized internationally. In general though, if you’re in the middle of Ukraine and your family has lived there for centuries, even when Western backed fascists take over the country and start shelling you in the civil war, would you easily make the decision to leave for Russia instead of staying, trying to survive however you can? I think if people legitimately were invested in preserving the Ukrainian state’s territorial integrity, the press gangs wouldn’t be abducting people with vans, and the militias for the LPR and DPR wouldn’t have been able to recruit much of anyone at all.
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Ukraine loses the war within the next 24 months since it has outlived its usefulness, the US pivots to the Pacific, and Europe doesn’t have the capacity to support it. What do you think happens when these reasonable moderates wearing Black Suns and Tottenkopf patches, armed to the teeth by NATO with any kind of weapon you can think of, are no longer fighting Russia?
Ever hear of operation Cyclone?
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Okay so what? They’re getting javelin missile launchers, tanks, drones, and who knows what else. Do you think the Azov Battalion would otherwise have access to that level of weaponry?
!RemindMe 9/11 2: Ukraine in the Membrane