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  • Black communities asked for the bill. It was written by Black leaders.

    “Rep. Bass is right. According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.””

    “In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.””

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-the-1994-crime-bill-cause-mass-incarceration/


  • Give an example from either of those crime bills that is specifically right wing.

    Because I don’t see lynchings happening anymore. Nor do I see lynchings written into either of those crime bills. I don’t even see in the bills where it says minorities are to be arrested in greater numbers than whites.

    That minorities are over represented in prison isn’t written into the crime bills. That’s a problem of systematic poverty in minority communities.


  • American politics are simple. You vote in the primary for the person that represents you. You vote in the general for the party that represents you. Americans chose Trump through voting or abstaining. They are responsible. No one else.

    Leftists gave Trump the win in 2016 because Hillary wasn’t Bernie. That handed the Supreme Court to the Right Wing. Then leftists handed Trump the White House in 2024 because Harris wasn’t pro Palestinian enough. It’s face eating leopard time. But my conspiracy is leftist agitators online are right wing shills to get moderates to not vote. Bannon even said he did it.


  • You are directing the conversation to anything other than the argument that the ratchet meme is a lie.

    You picked Nixon earlier. If it was non stop right wing movement from 1974 with Democrats doing nothing we’d be back at segregation and rivers on fire.

    American voters put the right wing in power in all branches of the government. They are the ones turning back the progress that Democrats achieved. The knob is going back and forth. It’s not a ratchet.


  • One person blocking improvement the other does something bad is both sides bad. Using all caps doesn’t change that.

    Then why did oil production go up under him?

    There is a difference between pumping oil from existing wells and wrecking new natural habitats for more oil.

    Clean Air Act

    Johnson, Democrat 1963. Too long ago to be relevant which is why I mentioned something newer.

    Biden championed the crime bill in the 80s that led to mass incarceration.

    ??? Stopping crime is right wing?

    We went from rivers so polluted that they caught fire and acid rain dissolving all public art to mostly clean rivers and air. If it was a ratchet we would have continued to go backwards. We would have gone from no gay marriage to criminalized. We would have gone from one river on fire to most rivers on fire. We would have gone from BLM back to segregation. The Ratchet Meme is a lie.




  • I can’t help but think at this point that we’re reaching comprehension issues…

    There is a long list of envitroment, social and political laws that Democrats have championed and have happened. BEACHES act, expanding Pacific protected waters, protecting Artic. In social we have gay marriage now. Democrats did NOT do nothing while Republicans moved things to the right. If that were true there would be no gay marriage. If Hillary had been elected the Supreme Court wouldn’t be right wing and Roe v Wade wouldn’t have been neutered.

    The Ratchet meme is “both sides bad”.


  • the Ratchet Effect

    The Ratchet Effect is a “both sides bad” meme. It is provably false.

    Beaches Act, Oct 2000 Clinton. Pacific National Monument started by Bush, expanded by Obama. Biden Ban on Artic drilling 2024

    Democrats push left. Republican push right. There’s no ratchet.

    Do you see how, over time, the Republicans move farther and farther to the right on the environment?

    And when Democrats have power, they push it to the left. It’s not a ratchet. Both sides are NOT the same.

    DEI, Roe v Wade, The Environment, etc have all gone right only because voters have given so much power to Republicans to move it right.


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    “And you, young engineer, you who dream of improving the lot of the workers by the application of science to industry - what a sad disappointment, what terrible disillusions await you! You devote the useful energy of your mind to working out the scheme of a railway which, running along the brink of precipices and burrowing into the very heart of mountains of granite, will bind together two countries which nature has separated. But once at work, you see whole regiments of workers decimated by privations and sickness in this dark tunnel - you see others of them returning home carrying with them, maybe, a few pence, and the undoubted seeds of consumption; you see human corpses - the results of a groveling greed - as landmarks along each yard of your road; and, when the railroad is finished, you see, lastly, that it becomes the highway for the artillery of an invading army…”

    Peter Kroporkin, 1880

    A hundred years later engineers are more jaded. They know what they are doing. At MIT in the 1980’s it was called “get your fingerprints on the murder weapon”.


  • For the past 50 years, Democrats have been supporting environmental protection laws and Republicans have been against them.

    It is equivalent to compare “But Nixon started the EPA” to “Lincoln ended slavery.” That Nixon started the EPA 50 years ago is irrelevant to all the following decades where Republicans have been consistently against the environment. It’s no different than when Magas say they aren’t racist because of Lincoln.

    If it’s a straight line from Nixon to Trump as you say, then why claim Republicans are environmentalists with Nixon as your example?


  • It’s also just factually wrong to say, “it was so long ago, its like saying they’re the anti-slavery party.” Nixon represents the turning point for the Republican party, where they abandoned their support for Civil Rights and embraced the Southern Strategy.

    Those two sentences are in exact conflict with each other. You say “it’s too long ago when Republicans were different” isn’t a valid argument." Then in the very next sentence you say, “it was long ago when Republicans were completely different.”

    WTF?