Daftydux

Bye

Edit:

Sorry, I will respond, honestly.

You’re right, there are differences between Iran and Isreal and im not versed enough to know them. So, yeah, and if you think that is what I was trying to communicate then we lost track somewhere.

Our contention seems to be:

You - isreal should be taken down militarily because they are a danger to the people around them

Me - there is no good way to end isreals occupation that wont result in more human suffering

I will concede that if isreal were to be brought down by some act of god youre not going to see me shedding many tears.

Is there anything you will concede?

Oh I know. A state religion is exactly what isreal has and what you are claiming is an ethnostate.

Zion means jerusalem, the holy land of the jews, which they claim is ordained to them by god.

What is a “state religion”

What is zion?

Im just demonstrating “zionism” didnt become “zionism” until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism “zionism” from some other meaning just as a Palestinian “zionism” could be claimed.

What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people. How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal!

Let’s keep this going.

Simply put, Zionism is a movement to recreate a Jewish presence in Israel. The name comes from the word “Zion,” which is a Hebrew term that refers to Jerusalem.

Throughout history, Jews have considered certain areas in Israel sacred—as do Christians and Muslims. The Torah, the Jewish religious text, depicts stories of ancient prophets who were instructed by their God to return to this homeland.

While the fundamental philosophies of the Zionist movement have existed for hundreds of years, modern Zionism formally took root in the late 19th century. Around that time, Jews throughout the world faced growing anti-Semitism.

Some historians believe that an increasingly tense atmosphere between Jews and Europeans may have triggered the Zionism movement. In one 1894 incident, a Jewish officer in the French army named Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused and convicted of treason. This event, which became known as the “Dreyfus Affair,” sparked outrage among Jewish people and many others.

Persecuted Jews who were struggling to salvage their identity began promoting the idea of returning to their homeland and restoring a Jewish culture there.

https://www.history.com/articles/zionism

You cant tell me my definition of zionism is wrong then tell me your made up definition of zionism is right.

The South African people used civil disobedience to change the laws of their government and ended apartheid. You’re saying isreals government need be destroyed. South Africans did not trash their government, they changed it.

Zionists, they believe in deconstructing palistine by force. Am I wrong, what is it youre really against zionism or Jewish zionism?

Hamas, Ansarallah, and Iran are not liberartors.

South Africa made policy possible through strategy. You’re just looking to extend the tit for tat.

You can use the nazi example as a general analogy. It does not translate to a 1:1 anology. Nazi Germany was not being propped up by an imperialist america.

Edit: you can continue to pretend to throw haymakers but if youre through getting toyed with you can go back to the boss and tell him youre wasting resources.

I do not support isreal being an ethnostate and you wont/cant present me with a path for isreal to integrate with palistine. By your logic youre tantamount to a zionist because you cannot demonstrate how isreal will ever be deconstructed other then by force, death, destruction.

D-day the allied forces attacked a genocidal expansionist state beginning the liberation of France. Who are the allied forces that will liberate palistine?

South Africa was liberated through civil disobedience. That is the South African model.

I prefer likely solutions that can be executed without large human tolls. That and generations long projects that methodically deconstruct oppressive societies and replaces oppression with liberty.

Har har. You got it all figured out.

Tell me, what happened on D-day?

Tell me, what happens when isreal is under the rule of an islamic government?

That’s a trivial naive understanding of the situation but you do you. America isnt storming tel aviv either, so, I guess you have fun playing games in your fantasy world.

Im not a zionist. Are you a jihadist?

Edit: if you want the allies to storm isreal thats fine but as you might know, america isn’t the world police. Ill stick with that. Should they supply isreal with weapons, no, but make your case to liberals by telling them that they should allow the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.

So how is “force” harm reduction?

Helps that im not the one making the arguments.

You’re the one who said south africa

I wont pretend to know much about South Africa or Palestine/Israel but my understanding is Palistine/Isreal are separate entities so if you were going to use civil disobedience to overcome the conflict you would have to convince the people of isreal.

Which, sounds fine.

What does “destruction of apartheid state” look like?

You digress

Edit: youre like 5 sentences away from admitting harm reduction is the only way to sort these problems and im here for it.

I suppose youre the ultimate authority on what is just and unjust?

Don’t you mean zionist

Is there a statue of limitation on generations of systematic oppression all stemming from brutal imperialism? No, seems kinda dumb for an imperialist to put that in their own law, considering.