Maybe thorn bush?

Mostly cause I support Ukraine and gop give up stance is ridiculous and apeasrment is bs. I hope if Canada invades Vermont gop just gives up.

Have any alt actions? Cause that’s the system we got. Vote for best choices not great choice.

So voting dnc as a stop gap and promoting progressive candidates is anti human and no path forward? What am I then pro dinosaur?

That’s why I finish the day with a someone playing a casual game. Puts me right to bed.

I mean giving the stating there is ratchet effect is fine. Its true. But what can be done to change it. Status quo is never letting it go right.

While we promote progressives within the country and rally behind them Peaceful options are:

• vote blue no matter who. Yes i know all the bs with dems.

• Vote third party. Drop in bucket until the silent masses join.

historically speaking people with power are dumb dumbs and/or go for low hanging fruit. Hence DNC courting all those republicans voters in last cycle. Old ppl vote more comparatively.

I thought the same back then but I’m not sure if that’s entirely the right call now. I think we both agree None of those banks should have gotten the parachute in that form. I think now they should have stiffer punishments and guidelines but of course even if they did I bet govt wouldn’t have followed through anyway.

So what’s your plan on this?

Well that’s the truth but at least vote third party. If im right then dems will follow the votes. They see 29 mil suddenly happen for third party ill bet my hat they will change tune. Im convinced they go right cause those are the people that vote.

Makes you wonder what else is going on.

Yeah I think you are right there but I want believe the sacrifices made for “security” are wearing thin. Wanted to talk about privacy rights 16 years ago and they call you traitor. Least fox news would which is what I watched at the time.

I mean. You expected better of them? For some reason dems and gop sux Isreal hard. Probably the nice donations. I know Booker got 1 mil.

If 2 products have the same calories then you check the next line. Like sugar to see which is better. Its the same with the gop and dnc. Both sides are the same there so have to look at other topics. Don’t tell me its cold as f$#! I know that. Which is why I want dems to get theirs but we need gop out first to stop the major pushes right.

So it seems you feel dems are going to make things better vs me saying they won’t make things significantly worse?

The point is to never let ratchet go right at any cost.

But Maybe yall are right and its all too late Trump will push the country sooo far right and next dem will keep it going to no ones surprise. Guess we will find out together.

Well you right on that. sorry I wasn’t clear. I mean deport us citizens not just migrants. If trump does deport us citizens wanna bet a dem will not undo it?

No familiar on the solar tarrifs biden did so I cant speak on it.

Yes but in baby steps versus gop “ill ship you off world!” If dnc start pushing stuff like anti gay or anti science agenda then country is f’d and we need to get old faithful out for watermelon cutting or start plumbing services. Cause now im convinced there is no peaceful solution.

They going third party? If so bless them for it. As long as they dont skip the vote at all.

Thats a interesting opinion. romance of three kingdoms approach. Seems way harder than what i want to do which is use dems to crush gop then beytray DNC. Fighting 2 entrenched enemies instead of one seems like a a rough idea to me. If your strategy is to promote third party im afraid that’s a hard one to pull off but I support it.

that’s everyone frustration. Dems betraying progressives. Its like dealing with loki vs Thanos. Have to use the dnc to maintain status quo so we can promote progressives in meantime. Gop will just push further right and ruin gains.

Cause people keep hating on dems instead of seeing dems for what they are. Opportunists Lesser evils than also need to be removed. But GOP is worst they need to go first. We need Truce with dems until gop is gone. then let’s go tear them apart. But people keep getting angry and shocked at dems bs and then refuse to vote and let gop win. Which is arguably worst outcome.

At least vote third party people!