Well… IMO, there’s a whole spectrum between “very rare LLM brianstorming/troubleshooting” and “I don’t know how to code” vibe-coding, and Im not sure what the distribution looks like.

Personally, I get LLMs to generate boilerplate, formatting, and functions, but manually write plenty and audit/assemble all the pieces myself. But I would not call myself a vibecoder; I loathe vibe coding.

Yes, that too.

Incentivizing hiding LLM use would be a problem. Encouraging disclosure is good.

The title is pure clickbait, but the article is nuanced and reasonably well written, IMO.

No one wants a freaking Ubuntu chatbot on their desktop, but code submission is an entirely different issue, and I think “the submitter is entirely responsible for their code” is a very reasonable position.

And obviously, LLM-generated code policy needs to be tuned to each project and their contributor community. As an example not cited in the article, vibe-coded PRs are an ongoing plague for llama.cpp, an LLM inference engine itself, so they blanket ban them. Ironic, and perfectly reasonable. But Linus researching that Intel bug with a little help, but using his brain for the legwork and actual submission, is also reasonable.

You put that incredibly abrasively, and the analogy is questionable (as we are talking dev tooling here).

…But your point is technically correct.

Contributors who you will NOT like contribute to useful projects. And your contributions will get used for things you don’t like. That is, indeed, how open software works, and what makes it inclusive.

Whoa, that is very unlike Debian.

Im not downvoting, I think its interesting.

…But iI suspect some are tired of the Linux community’s fragmentation? As there are a lot of distros that try to mimic Windows as effortlessly as possible.

This looks like a very clean, sleek attempt to me, IMO.

• Yes, but padded too. It is my favorite AC for sure. PLAY AS KASSANDRA, her voice actress is so much better. And the Atlantis DLC is my favorite part, a great ending.

• Probably, but… honestly? It is like a 100 hour+ game. 3 minutes to sign up with a burner email and another 40 seconds to uninstall the launcher isnt that big a deal, proportionally?

I dont get this.

I’d rather be in a dystopian future, than be in a dystopian future with painful lung cancer and a crushing hospital bell.

Alcohol is still in decline.

…Smell like marketing, to me.

Not the article, but the statistical rise. Engagememt algorithms probably love smoking and boost it to kids. And I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the influencers are bots; not even tobacco company ones, but regular old grifters trying to find something that catches the algo.

I’d like to think people are free minded, but honestly so many just do what advertising asks.

Okay, well, what about Nvidia Nemotron’s series as a counter example?

It’s built on an open dataset; its training regime isn’t secret, it’s reproducible. It’s Apache licensed. It’s not published to manipulate anyone; it’s mostly presented as a research tool, or a starting point for users to customize for mundane text processing tasks. It runs reasonably efficiently on a large variety of software and hardware, with a standardized architecture.

Of course AI, as it is mostly presented to the public, is an existential problem.

But you’re trying to fundamentally tie text-based machine learning to the tech bros as a root for its ethical issues. It’s not that simple. Even if Sam Altman and all his kind keel over tomorrow, the complications the existence of LLMs and other generative models present is not going away, and we will have to deal with models that can do unethical things without anything unethical in their training regime.

You’re lumping all of machine learning into the bucket of tech bros, ChatGPT, Facebook and such.

There was a thriving, small scale world of machine learning stuff that existed before they hijacked the public’s attention, and it never went away. It still exists. It will continue to exist when this bubble at least deflates some.

But what does it matter if:

• The model weights are distributed, for free.

• Run by the user, not profiting the trainer at all.

• Its output is strictly used for noncommercial use; nothing the user ever makes a dime from, nor that competes with the original artist?

Thats the same thing as a fanfic to me. Or open software. Or per your analogy, a personal (noncommercial) painting inspired by another’s work.

I’m not simping for big tech or LLMs or anything, I’m just saying if one rips out the commercial aspect completely, that takes a lot of the bad ethics with it.

What if they give the resulting LLM out for free, Apache licensed? And don’t take any steps to anthropomorphize it at all?

In other contexts, that would be classified as fair-use, as long as it stays non-commercial.

I know what you mean. I like lemmy.ml, mostly. I’m kinda a nut/weirdo too.

I like my internet full of weirdos, like a zoo. It makes it feel like the old internet, and honestly I think it’s good for the soul. Like, imagine if everyone got that kind of exposure instead of the bubbles they live in now.

…Acually, PM me or something if you do. I’m interested in that.

I’m confused. Are we still talking about Avatar?

Well… just as one examples in the original series, Iroh was one of the worst war criminals the world had ever seen. It’s hard to argue he isn’t gray. If he had been seen as B&W, things would have not recovered.

Call me whatever you wish. It’s fine.

This about sums up my experience with Lemmy.ml though. Even seemingly tangential threads, like, say…. checks thread title a Linux kernel article inevitably trigger Godwin’s law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

And then some kind of black-and-white political litmus test.

I’m sorry, but I have a bit more trust in the Linux kernel maintainers on the technicals of this issue than you or I.

I do know enough to know that a Cyril 6x86 is problematic to use with many modern applications. I find it hard to believe anyone using one needs a modern kernel feature for something, and any other PC is unavailable.

I mean, at the very least, I think they’d need another PC to build a custom kernel themselves? Can you even build Linux 7.1 on that system now?

I actually didn’t even get what you meant by “4 nations” until boonhet pointed it out, heh.

I don’t know what you’re going on about; Earth Kings, Queens, tons of Earth Kingdom names and places (like the Forbidden Palace) are clear references to ancient Chinese history. Including the Dai Li. It doesn’t have much to do with modern China though; the Earth Kingdom never moved out of the past until it burned to the ground.

Air Nomad names are Tibetan. Tenzin. Gyatso. If those mountain temples aren’t Tibetan, I don’t know what is. And they all died to imperialist invaders, simply because they wouldn’t cooperate. They were quite traditional in their own way though (including living with sexes separated), and all we really see of their government is some kind of elder council.

The Fire Nation islands were largely ruled by regional, despotic clans until Fire Lord rather shrewdly and brutally consolidated power into a single royal lineage. Then they decided to spread the “gift” of their industrialization and culture around the world, trying to enforce a singular culture. The only thing “liberal” about them (for a time) was some social norms, like those around gender; we see a lot of female Fire nation troops in all eras, for instance, and some progressive feeling institutions within.

The Water Tribes were notoriously close-knit, traditional, conservative. I think they were more of an elder theocracy until the modern era, and even that was kind of a struggle.

Republic City was modeled after New York and Hong Kong, but TBH has a lot in common with the rest of modern China too? Some of the structures are Southeast Asian. The origin complicates things too; they were Earth Kingdom, invaded and modernized into a Fire Nation colony, who then gained their independence post-world-war.

…We have the subcultures I guess. Or the villains. Amon was basically a populist communist (and right about a lot) with some family issues, Unalaq a megalomaniac theocrat, Zaheer was an anarchist straight from db0 (and made some good points TBH), Kuvira was kind of Tech Bro Hitler, yet she also saved the Earth Kingdom from total anarchy when no one else would. The context is different though. They don’t really have the context of those ideologies in the worlds’ history.

The references aren’t pure; the creators were clear that each place is multicultural and fictional, not an expy of a nation, but I think that makes the references more interesting.

But the whole theme of the franchise is that no one nation, no individual, no political system or movement, is really a pure good or bad. They all exist in a difficult balance with each other. So I don’t think using the four nations as some kind of “liberal analogue” is very constructive.

…You’re talking about saved megabytes being trivial, in reference to machines that have megabytes of memory in total?

It’s not about saved space anyway, it’s about support. Some features are compromised by the requirement to keep this old code, though I’m not qualified to say to what extent.

And again, who is “we?”

Who’s still using a Cyril 6x86 that isn’t doing it for personal/recreational reasons? If society collapses, how many would there be to use?

I’d be sympathetic if we were talking about, say, a Pentium 4, but just don’t buy the narrative that this is inconveniencing anyone. These things do not exist as utilitarian devices anymore. It’s not making anyone use outdated, insecure software that isn’t choosing to do so anyway.

What exactly is the utility of the code, though? Is it so these really ancient machines stay up-to-date/secure in societal collapse or something?

I’d be sympathetic to that, but the chips this depreciates are so rare that you won’t find many to use, in that scenario… and in the rare exceptions, using an older kernel version would be fine.