Yeah sorry: my bringing up JWZ as an example of past circular arguments I’ve come across devolved into a whole tangent thread I never meant to have.

Given than I deleted Signal years ago now, I don’t much care about this phone number sharing/not sharing aspect.
But in case anyone does care, Moxie responded to jwz’s concerns in that ancient post: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/#comment-172865

If you’re going to continue denying our lived experiences with Signal, why should we allow you continue commenting on our Lemmy instance?

I didn’t say that. You must be confusing me with someone else in this thread. But since you brought it up: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/

When you install Signal, it asks for access to your contacts, and says very proudly, “we don’t upload your contacts, it all stays on your phone.”

And then it spams all of your contacts who have Signal installed, without asking your first.

And it shares your phone number with everyone in your contacts who has Signal installed.

And then when you scream ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME and delete your account and purge the app, guess what? All those people running Signal still have your phone number displayed for them right there in plain text. Deleting your account does not delete the information that the app shared without your permission.

So yeah. Real nice “privacy” app you’ve got there.

I’m going back to Facebook Messenger, where at least the privacy failings are obvious.

But I’m more concerned about the security state angle.

Edit to add: I see, yes, one of the links I posted did say that, which I highlighted above. But again I’m more interested in the fact that Signal is a product of Radio Free Asia, which is a US security state outfit. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/signal-facing-collapse-after-cia-cuts-funding

I didn’t.

This conversation is about the the US security state. It’s about the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.

How much personal information Signal does or does not reveal to other Signal users is not relevant to this conversation.

I like to think that it’s usually just because they’re socially invested in it.

Trolling or ignorant. Or a secret third thing.

JWZ has had to go through the same kinds of circular conversations.

• https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/
• https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/08/signal/
• https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/02/signal-2/

The double ratchet algo is irrelevant if the app is doing something else altogether.

Unless you compiled the app yourself from source code that you understand, you don’t really know what the app might be saying to Signal’s servers. Almost everyone just trusts that the pre-compiled app supplied by Apple or Google aren’t compromised. But we know from history that Big Tech and the military-intelligence-industrial complex are in bed with each other.

You have provided literally nothing to back up your assertion.

• fanboy
• secret closet
• cries

Doubling down on emotional Wojak framing I see.

• seething
• precious
• fuck
• sense
• clinging

we are logical chad and they are emotional wojak amirite