You must not be old enough to remember the 2008 election, then. People were accusing Obama of being the literal antichrist

Oh I was old enough, I didn’t follow the election that time that closely, as IMO it wasn’t that important as the last 3 (and I wasn’t that political either) Though something like the Project 2025 were just not existing that time, and while Trump maybe always a crazy person, that all of this is that socially acceptable (conspiracies, lies across all dimensions) is a concerning trend (towards fascism, as Hitler etc. used similar rhetoric).

Maybe in hindsight it’s hard to make a comparisons, but every election since then has represented the same choice between ‘sane’ democrats and ‘crazy’ conservatives.

Right, as I said, I don’t promote what the policy of the democrats is, I’m just concerned what the alternative looks like…

the same rhetoric that’s been used for the last 5-6 elections at least

Nah, maybe a little bit for the last trump election where he dipped his toes into autocratic territory, now that he got support again (even House and Congress) he can go full autocratic. Everyone that’s at least a little bit educated politically and economically shakes their head about Trump, and did so before the election too. It’s not a rhetoric that was used before that much. Electing republicans was always a little bit correlated with stupidity but not like: Go full Trumpler/Hitler, full on conspiracy, “anti-establishment” (the opposite seems to be true, thinking about that there were never more billionaires in political power than ever before). The stupidity for a lot of americans seems to be at an all time high too.

Nah I really don’t understand why people were omitting this election, just because they were in slight disagreement with the democrats (over things, where trump is orders of magnitudes worse)…

the biggest reason is usually because they (rightly) feel like the choice has little actual impact on their day-to-day life

Yeah and now take a close look at what Trump was “able” to do in just 4 months. Lets sum it up: it’s not a good outlook for the economy (and especially poor people) in the USA. And it does hurt globally too. A single vote may not have much impact, but it can prevent this shitty state the US is in currently (“if everyone thinks like that…”)

Blaming those voters without asking yourself why there were more of them this election is nothing more than political masturbation.

Ah common that’s bullshit, I mean I’m mostly blaming republican voters that were for the most part voting against their own interests… The system is absolutely flawed, but people should at least try to prevent the worst (which they seemingly didn’t).

And just a reminder that the democratic party does actually have members in its caucus that have a higher than 60% approval rating nationwide, but for some reason they chose not to run those candidates

Yeah there absolutely better candidates, and I really hope, that progressives like AOC gain much more power and the democrats are able to turn left. But then, there’s still the question if there’s an election again that is not a total shallow joke, so that democrats (or maybe even other parties) get a realistic chance for power again.

Seeing the downvotes here to something in my eyes obvious, really makes me want to block lemmy.ml. Are there really that much Trumpler-loving-Tankies around here? Such a contradiction: Hypercapitalism fueled autocracy, the only thing (I think) tankies and MAGAs agree with is probably autocracy.

Yeah I know, it’s still a ***ing big facepalm for me, to not show up in one of if not probably the most important election, “just because” the democrats don’t follow a great agenda. As left-leaning as I am and as much as I disagree with (most) democrats, the alternative is, as we currently see sooo much worse.

I wouldn’t vote because I support what the democrats are doing, I just try to choose the lesser evil.

I’m European, and my vote is basically always strategic, I never really vote for the party that I’m really agreeing with, just the party that I’m in least disagreement with. Yes I think the democratic system in the USA (if it’s still alive) is flawed (as are basically all democracies to some degree), it’s bad, sure, but rolling out the red carpet for Trump by not voting (for the democrats) is… sorry… just dumb.

It’s sad that people rather don’t vote, and accept the fact that the states drift towards an autocratic system, than just vote for the lesser evil (or engage themselves politically).

Right, the trend so far isn’t very good, and I agree the (capitalistic) system needs a fundamental change, though electing the obvious (seemingly for half of USA not…) Auto/Idiocrat is definitely not helping…

Not in at this level though…

Right now it’s not even clear if there is another meaningful election. And I don’t think I have to mention what happened just in the last few months since the inauguration of Trump…

This wouldn’t have happened when Harris would’ve been elected, I’m sure of.

Votes do matter… Would’ve voted just a few more against Trump, we wouldn’t be in this (I think at this point global) mess…

Should they matter more or should the “democratic” process be quite different (more deliberate), yeah…

At this point though, we need big protests, I agree. Also just to wake up all those (not entirely lost) MAGA idiots…

all our brains are pretty dumb and easy to fool.

Absolutely, but I think that when we’re talking to actually smart people in person we at least subconsciously more likely believe the person that actually has to say something (i.e. really knows something we don’t). With social media a lot of these communication factors are missing, so if the text sounds smart, we may believe it. Sure you can fake and lie, etc. but I think (going back in time) we have a good instinct for people that may help us in any way i.e. through knowledge where to find food, find secure shelter etc. stuff that helps our survival, which in the end for humans is basically good factual knowledge that helps the survival of the species as a whole.

Today our attention spans are reduced to basically nothing to a large part because of social media promoting emotional (unfortunately mostly negative/anxiety/anger) short messages (and ads of course) that reinforce whatever we believe which likely strengthens bad connections in the brain.

Also the sheer mass of information is very likely not good for us. I.e. mostly nonfactual information, because well, there’s way more people that “have heard about something” than actually researched and gone down to the ground to get the truth (or at least a good model of it).

This all mixed, well doesn’t give me a positive outlook unfortunately…

Yeah, which actually underlines my point even. We weren’t “designed” for connecting with everyone around the world. Evolutionary there were smaller groups, sometimes having contact with other groups.

Today we can just connect with our bubbles (like here on lemmy) and get validated and reinforce our beliefs independently if they are right or wrong (mostly factually). As we see this doesn’t seems to be healthy for most people. In smaller circles (like scientific community) this helps, but in general… Well I don’t think I have to explain the situation on the world (and especially currently in the USA) currently…

There’s a big difference between sitting around a fire telling stories. And sending pseudonymous click-baity messages (I’m slightly exaggerating) across the globe.

As it’s not guaranteed anymore: Have you sit around a fire with friends? IME it’s so much more fulfilling and less prone to hate. Healthier (apart of the smoke). There’s so much more to communication than text messages.

Make the design 4D, and stack them in multiple dimensions, maybe one 4D guillotine is even sufficient?

I mean humanity survived thousands of years without any social media at all…

For whom?

For their unsatisfiable thirst of power?

I mean they only get power because people give it them, but I think it’s still the fascists who spark this process… It’s a little bit of a chicken-egg situation…

Do you really think that our wannabe-Nazi Elon is yet on the same level as Hitler? (It could develop into that, but that’s a big if)

Then you understand neither.

Oh I do as anarchist… As I say the world isn’t as black and white in reality. The goal of these both are similar: freedom. Albeit different definitions and ways to achieve it.

But it’s definitely different than fascism which is mostly centralized oppression… I.e. oppression of freedom.

I’d say it’s basically a wild mix/spectrum of different ideologies in reality.

I’d agree with (I think) at least one thing the general accepted opinion of liberalism (which is basically capitalism) is definitely leaning more towards fascism than say anarchism, but that probably also has to do with that anarchism in reality is not a model that is achievable at least so far, similar with real communism.

people don’t use bitcoin to pay for other stuff.

That isn’t true, it is used albeit of course more for speculation, than FIAT.

The currency is the asset.

Guess what, FIAT money like the dollar and euro are also assets, and the same is true for that as well. Though Inflation is usually controlled by central banks.

Well you brought GDP as argument, which just doesn’t have anything to do with the price of an asset. If you sell a lot and buy a lot GDP grows, but the price of that asset can still be the same at the end.

Getting back to your initial argument:

Since anonymity is a feature, any transactions will increase its value due to it being “used” more

This is just plain wrong, as I could just make myself rich according to that logic… I still need to have that FIAT-money, need to exchange it (in which case I have driven the price up), but now I have less FIAT, so either I have more FIAT to further drive the price, or well I need to cash out in which case I’ll drive the price down. If I just send crypto from one (anonymous) account to another it just does… nothing to the price…

Huh? Not sure how crypto-markets and reactors are related to each other…

Former is “just” based demand and supply, which of course can still be quite chaotic, because well demand and supply is chaotic (due to all kinds of factors)…

But GDP is not the price of an asset, it’s a metric to measure the economic activity.

Is it really that hard to understand? The price is dictated by markets… Like with stock and other speculative assets. It’s a little bit wilder, possibly due to anonymity and wild promotion on various platforms (like youtube) etc. But in it’s essence it’s still a market…

No, because that would be an infinite money glitch, everyone would be rich… (that uses crypto).

It’s actually very simple basic market-economics, and independently of anonymity, you buy, you’ll drive the price up, you’ll sell, you’ll drive the price down. It’s slightly more complicated, because it involves makers (they set the price at which to sell or buy) and takers (which take the offer by the maker) and psychology (e.g. promotion on youtube to drive the price up) and obviously increasingly algorithms. But in general it’s still demand and supply, anonymity doesn’t have anything to do here apart from being more prone to scams. Take Monero as example one of the most anonym cryptos but still fairly stable (in crypto terms).

So to drive the price up, you either have to have some kind of good promotion (which at the end is just money from someone else), or a lot of money yourself.

There is

Compared to what corporate has it’s basically no money…

This is not that uncommon in open source, but I’d think that something like this community project would be more decentralized, i.e. as a lot of people (especially technical people) use it, and see rough edges, that their motivation would be higher to contribute then.

Great, so I can just use any other dating app now, and don’t need Bumble anymore? What kind of genius move it is to kill the signature feature. But oh well the person responsible already left…