What you describe is why China is a successful and wealthy nation. Not really why it should still be considered socialist. I do not know whether the concessions China made to capitalism where necessary, but they sure were successful in raising the standard of living. However, if they were necessary it means that China wasn’t able to establish socialism in the end. And this is not a critique against the Chinese people. As you say: the world is capitalist. It may just be impossible to establish socialism under the current conditions, whithout a world revolution. That total isolation doesn’t work very can be considered proven by now.

Claiming that I suggested that China is capitalist is also a pretty big straw man. China has a socialist and a capitalist sector. That doesn’t make the country capitalist, but it has lost the basic principles that make socialism: The workers don’t own the means of production in the capitalist sector. You try to talk this away by changing the very definition of socialism.

No matter how well-controlled this sector is, the a large part of the surplus those workers achieve goes into the pockets of capitalists. Even if those workers are as well-paid and well-protected as their counterparts in the socialist sector, the are still alienated from their work. Some of the fruits of their work are funding some rich man’s mega yacht and the betterment of the socialist state. By this, you create two classes of workers - that means giving up on working towards a classless society.

You may say this is a temporary setup raise the standard of living, but concentrated money always creates power and corruption. Enough money will always find some weak-willed individuals to buy power, no matter how draconic the punishment might be. The fact that billionaires have to be put to death shows that this is already happening on a grand scale. There are only two ways this can go, in my opinion: Either China will decide to reintegrate the capitalist sector back into the socialist society or this sector will quickly erode what remains of the socialist society. At this point, the first will not go through without bloodshed.

To me, the question stands whether a country can use “controlled capitalist mechnisms” at all and still stay socialists. Controlled capitalism isn’t socialism. This could be discussed. However, once you allow privately owned international businesses on a grand scale, it is really hard to argue for your position.

It’s the only reply someone can make to such a comment, friend. You suggest that there’s only one opinion on that matter and that everyone who doesn’t accept it isn’t well-read enough. To go any lower you’d have to use swear words.

Just silly. For one person its “too much info”, for another its “not enough”. AI really broke people’s brains. If they actually have to read some things and can’t be given a short summary, they call it “shutting down discussion”.

I would accept this argument if you’d sent me one or two links to well-researched sources that were just very long. But you didn’t do that. What you provided is a mess. Most of the links I read through do not even provide any information about whether or not China can be called socialist. For example the news items about China executing businessmen. Others even contradict the argument of China being a socialist country. Take this link https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/91liw2/comment/e2z3kzu/

It basically says that the Chinese economy is 50% socialist at maximum. This would support my opinion that China is actually transitioning away from socialism by its growing private sector. Having basic workers’ rights does not help this. Some capitalist countries have those too.

So face it: It’s not me being unable to process information. It’s you being unable to provide relevant information. You obviously can’t see the difference between what’s relevant for your argumentation and what is not. And expect others to sort it out.

Also I don’t use AI.

You’re right, you didn’t read even a few of the links, and you’re proving the post correct.

I just wrote:

Whatever I answer now, you can say I haven’t read all of your links.

You obviously didn’t look at even a few of these links either! These links include pages and pages of discussions in several formus, inclunding reddit. There are several hours of youtube videos. There’s paywalled content! There are sites flagged by my virus protection. This not sharing information, this flooding. This is a way of shutting up any kind of disussion.

Chinese people’s analysis, views and opinions on our country its guiding ideology and political system are irrelevant in your eyes? This stinks of western chauvinism. Is it only real socialism when white people agree it is?

It is a bit early for playing the racism card, isn’t it? No, it doesn not matter at this point because it’s self-labeling. The Chinese people have a right to label themselves however they want.

Please define socialism. If a workers state lead by a vanguard party managing the transition out of capitalism and defending revolutionary gains isn’t socialism because contradictions remain then I venture to say no state will ever be socialist.

The most simple definition. A socialist state is one where the workers own the means of production.

Let’s try your own definition: Workes state - China is not led by workers. It has a class system and workers do not own the means of production. It is mainly owned by individuals - those are capitalists. Vanguard party - this is not something a socialist society should have, but merely a perversion that every state trying to be socialist developed. Parties are for democracies, a socialist state does not need parties. managing the transition out of capitalism - it cannot be called transitioning out of capitalism when some individuals gain unimaginable wealth while others don’t. This is a concentration of wealth and exactly the same is happening in “capitalist” countries. China is transitioning out of socialism.

I venture to say no state will ever be socialist.

Bleak, but possible.

Oh “a book”? And what is this magical book that contains all truth about this subject matter?

Sorry, but this amount of links in one post is kind of flooding the zone with shit. You can’t expect someone to go through them all, analyze them and prepare a response. That would take a week. Since many of those links are reddit disussions and youtube links, I’m inclined to say that you posted filler links to shut up any discussion. At least one news link is even paywalled. Whatever I answer now, you can say I haven’t read all of your links. Some links are Chinese domestic opinions, which don’t really help - we all already know that China sees itself as socialist. And the majority of the news articles don’t point out that China is socialist. They only show that China isn’t a free market economy. Sentencing private businessmen to death for transgression, for example is not a trait of socialism. Having party members in your private multinational companies doesn’t make them owned by the people. Why does the country have private businessmen owning large companies at all? China has domestic billionaires. Billionaires that have grown fat on the backs of their workers. This is not socialism.

The joke here is calling China “socialist”, right?

Edit: Be honest. How can you call a country socialist if it has billionaires?