Whenever I talk to any Democrat supporters, they by-default cheer their Presidents and then I’ve to remind them of their leader’s illegal wars and war crimes. They condemn those acts and they go back to their cheerleading role - Why do they keep forgetting atrocities committed by their leaders? Why do they accept war criminals as their leader?

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      This would be more convincing if they weren’t also doing it during the Biden administration

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      We are all tired of what-aboutism.

      We gotta focus on the present situation.

      • You, the moment Donitz is appointed President of III Reich
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        I’m not saying we forget I’m saying every time someone criticizes trump , someone jumps in and says "yeah but Biden this. Or Obama that. "

        I am not saying they were perfect people or those criticisms aren’t valid. But they are not what we need to focus on.

        Now if instead someone is running for office and someone says “this is what they have voted for in the past”. - then yeah. That’s valid right now.

        That’s not what-aboutism. That’s considering a person’s history for deciding if they should be in office in the future.

        This sort of conversation is important. Like Gavin newsome. He has a long history of support for Israel and billionaires. We need to talk about that.

        We don’t need to constantly hear about poor decisions previous people in office made who aren’t in seats and can’t run.

        Unless you are interested in political history.

        We all have limits with information and attention. I prefer to focus on the present and trying not to repeat mistakes. Work on fixing current problems and future problems being caused by the current administration decisions being made.

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      “We can’t focus on the nazi genocide we all supported, we need to look forward!”

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          You wouldn’t think so from how blue maga talk about it, how they rewrite history and reality to deny their culpability.

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            I’m so confused. I said I’m tired of what-aboutism.

            We have to focus on what’s happening now.

            I didn’t say we deny the things that caused the present situation.

            I said I’m tired of hearing every time there is a discussion about Trump’s bad decisions and actions that are making things really bad, someone chimes in with what about Biden or Obama. Of which neither are currently the president nor can run for president again.

            I don’t deny their part in the current state.

            I’m saying that I don’t have the time or energy to engage with people constantly using Obama and Bidens actions as an excuse for why we can’t criticize trump.

            Of course things today are a product of many people and institutions failing.

            I’m not saying we shouldn’t talk about how to fix those problems.

            I’m saying I’m tired of What-aboutism as it’s not productive and is purely intended as a distraction and division.

            I don’t know how much clearer I can make this.

            Surely you don’t think it’s important to discuss Obamas failings every time trump does something stupid to somehow excuse Trump’s actions or downplay them. ?