t’s certainly been a journey for Valve. A week prior to the Steam Frame’s launch, we spoke with two engineers at Valve about the project: Joy Lyons, hardware engineer, and Jeremy Selan, software engineer. The memory crisis and the price were a big part of that conversation. From that chat, we can confirm that Valve had aimed for a lower price point than the one it’s launching the Frame for today.

Here’s Lyons on the memory crisis:

“We set out to design this hardware with one particular price in mind, but we’ve made choices to make sure that we’re making a product that is choiceful, that people can purchase, they can upgrade with different features later. But we wanted to make sure we had a base product with really great performance. Then that price target shifted due to the ongoing RAM crisis around the world.”

Lyons also said that forecasting for the cost of certain components used in the Steam Frame is an ongoing challenge.

Not exactly boding well of the Steam Deck 2.

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    I’m taking a very narrow definition of Linux here to say that a manufacturer shipping you a disk image with a precompiled version of Linux (that is closed source) is not proper linux.

    If Linus Torvalds and co can’t make your computer run, then its not a good computing experience.

    Darwin != Linux, either.

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      Darwin is UNIX. And anyone who knows what they’re talking about wouldn’t confuse the two.

      lol

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      I can absolutely build the Linux kernel for arm from source for the raspberry pi. Whether it is using the open source raspberry pi fork or mainline. I can put any of at least a dozen fully open distros on it. Etc.

      Maybe there’s some devices/manufacturers doing this and that’s what you’re thinking of, but your core argument here is 100% wrong.

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          I would probably me more inclined to listen to anything you say if you also acknowledged your mistakes

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            I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m just tired of people simping for ARM like its better than x86. Apple and Qualcomm are not going to make gaming better!

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              Ok but it’s weird that you aren’t acknowledging the things you were fundamentally wrong about, and were making a really big deal about

              Not sure how you can draw conclusions like that with big misunderstandings

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                but I dont understand how calling raspbian a fork of Linux is incorrect. I can’t run mainline Linux on an android phone, I need to run something based on Linux that isn’t from Linus Torvalds, the owner of the Linux trademark.

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                  Rasbian is not a fork of “Linux”. It is a distro that contains lots and lots and lots of open software. Including Linux. Just like Ubuntu and Alpine and Debian and Rocky and Neon and hundreds of other distros do.

                  That distro is fully open .

                  It includes an open, non-closed version of the Linux kernel.

                  You can, and people absolutely do, use Linux from the Linux foundation, on tons of ARM hardware, including Raspberry Pis and other ARM-based general purpose computers

                  Can I run desktop Ubuntu on my Motorola phone? No. But I can’t run it on a Kankun smart plug either, and that runs Linux. Ubuntu wasn’t designed to run on this hardware (though they did work a LOT on specific phone and tablet support). I also can’t run it on a Milk-V Duo, but it is Risc-V and runs “Linux”.

                  Do many phone manufacturers do other things to lock down phones? Yes, but that has nothing to do with being ARM-based. And I was responding specifically to the ARM claims.

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                    Go to github.com/torvalds/linux

                    click “fork”

                    You now have a fork of Linux.

                    You’re probably allowed by the trademark holder to still call it Linux, but its not associated with the official Linux kernel project.

                    The problem with ARM is that all of the hardware manufacturers lock down their hardware or othwise make it difficult to use with mainline Linux. That was all I was saying. I wouldn’t want to game on a MilkV Duo either.

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          Also, Android is linux, lol. Just because some phone models don’t allow you the freedom to build-from-source doesn’t change any of that.

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              Ahahahahahah! No, no no no. None of that is true. Nor has it ever been true

              😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

              Have you ever tried stand-up comedy? I think you might be quite good at it— in the Trump-idiot garbage bin circuit