I keep hearing bad stuff about proton, but I don’t really get most of it. Could someone please explain all of the controversy to me. Lastly, what are the best alternatives to all of their services?

  • nfreak@lemmy.ml
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    20 hours ago

    It just seemed like the most similar choice that meets my needs. I looked at some of the other options - I’d go with Proton if it weren’t for the issues mentioned, I used them for a bit and the service works very well. Nym seemed interesting, but I don’t believe they offer Wireguard configs? I could be wrong.

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      It [IVPN] just seemed like the most similar choice

      A lot of things are similar indeed, with one essential difference: the raid on Mullvad did prove their no-logs policy was no bullshit. I haven’t found anything similar on IVPN.

      Nym seemed interesting, but I don’t believe they offer Wireguard configs?

      Good call, they don’t. When is that relevant, though? When you want to connect a headless machine, such as a server?

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        Wireguard is generally fast and secure. All the other transport options fail on at least one of those (OpenVPN is secure and slow, L2TP is slow and insecure, IPSec and IKEv2 are less secure and brittle).

        Essentially, the one downside to Wireguard is prevalence. So if you can find somewhere trustworthy that it IS an option, why not?

        That said, I do wonder why more people don’t turn to global Tailscale networks and bypass central control. Of course, you DO need some way to establish trust for your Tailscale network.

        If you’re willing to pay though, why not just spin up a VPS somewhere and run Tailscale on it? You control the logging, Your exit node is on a trusted netblock, and you can connect whatever you want to it over Wireguard.

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          If you’re willing to pay though, why not just spin up a VPS somewhere and run Tailscale on it?

          It is some effort to set up, and VPS seems generally more expensive than a commercial VPN which has more nodes and other extra things. You’re moving your location which is cool, but multiple people use VPN nodes which serves as a mask because you can’t differentiate what traffic belongs to which user; You’re also still trusting whoever you rent your VPS from that they haven’t set up some sort of monitoring on a higher level before tailscale running on the machine can encrypt traffic.