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  • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    Who told you that the people of China are propagandized, especially to hate other countries and peoples as much as the US does?

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      3 days ago

      Their access to news is controlled and for some topics all available news is what we’d call propaganda. Particularly anything about Japan or the Taiwan issue. Most people I know there realize this to an extent but without any other information do still believe the core idea even if skeptical of details.

      But at the same time I’d argue there’s no such thing as a population that’s not propagandized. In the US the big news corporations only will present views favorable to their profitability and continued growth. Sure they disagree with eachother, but it’s still always a pro-business view. State news from Russia is (I’d argue rightly) not available on many US platforms to discourage it’s influence for example.

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        2 days ago

        The US does NOT have a free press and is not at all interested in freedom and free speech. Notice that there are no socialists or leftists of any kind on any news channel or in political leadership positions.

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          This is just untrue. There is plenty of legal press in the US of any persuasion, from anarchist to fascist.

          The major US news outlets are in bed with capitalists because that’s where the money is, but there are lots of smaller outlets with other views. In China all news outlets kowtow to the government because anything else is illegal.

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            2 days ago

            In China all news outlets kowtow to the government because anything else is illegal.

            This is what our media tell us about their media. In every country the media kowtow to the government to some extent, but I’m not sure to exactly what extent they actually do in China, and I’m not going to take our media’s word for what that extent is.

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              24 hours ago

              If you do not know the extent of pressure asserted on Chinese media that is willful ignorance.

              Of course “our media” (whatever you mean by that) is the only media that can report on it as Chinese media is heavily censored.

              If you want to know the extent the information easy to find.

              Here’s some of what Reporters Without Borders have to say

              “The People’s Republic of China (PRC) is the world’s largest prison for journalists, and its regime conducts a campaign of repression against journalism and the right to information worldwide.”

              “The Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party sends a detailed notice to all media every day that includes editorial guidelines and censored topics.”

              “Independent journalists and bloggers who dare to report “sensitive” information are often placed under surveillance, harassed, detained, and, in some cases, tortured.”

              Source: https://rsf.org/en/country/china

              This is from The Committee to Protect Journalists

              “China has long ranked as one of the world’s worst jailers of journalists. Censorship makes the exact number of journalists jailed there notoriously difficult to determine, but Beijing’s media crackdown has widened in recent years”

              Source: https://cpj.org/reports/2024/01/2023-prison-census-jailed-journalist-numbers-near-record-high-israel-imprisonments-spike/

              Here’s Amnesty International

              “Chinese authorities continued to severely curtail rights to freedoms of expression, association and peaceful assembly, including through the abusive application of laws often under the pretext of preserving national security.”

              Source: https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/