• trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Except for farmers humanity has gone quite a long time without them

    Edit to clear up confusion about the wording: I meant that we need farmers, the rest not so much

    • PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      3 days ago

      Only in the professional sense, medicine and engineering as concepts of let’s not have these people die of what we know to be preventable has been around a lot longer than agriculture.

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      3 days ago

      I am not sure what your point is. Society will collapse if all the farmers stop doing their work. Seems pretty important to me.

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        3 days ago

        I read it that way first as well but I think it’s intended the other way: “for everyone except farmers” …

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          Yeah, I believe the intended reading should have a comma after farmers, which would clarify that “them” at the end of the sentence is only referring to engineers, police/fire/ambulance, teachers, etc…

          EDIT: actually now that I think about it I don’t know that a comma alone would fix it, but I still support the comma there.

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      The romans had engineers and fire fighting crews. Nearly every society has had some kind of police/army/guard to enforce laws. Farmers actually opened the door to most other jobs/careers because people didn’t have to rely on themselves to grow or collect their own food which left more time to become an engineer, learn math, become a salesman or any other job that could be filled.

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        Nearly every society has had some kind of police/army/guard to enforce laws.

        Big citation needed here. Many societies didn’t have a professional army but rather armed citizens who went to war when needed and had other occupations otherwise. See for example the second amendment which wanted a “well regulated Militia” instead of a professional army. Also this is different from a police force which isn’t universal either. Many watch each other or have rotating shifts or something which isn’t the same as a police that necessarily stands above the law to enforce it.

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          2 days ago

          this link goes into light detail of how laws were written and enforced in ancient times, starting with tribal or clan based blood fueds and eventually turning to a more societal run and funded system.