Can someone actually explain the Nazi Ukrain claims? I’ve actually tried to search because I want to know both sides even if I disagree with it, but I literally cannot find more than Putin says they are nazi’s.
So like on an international level looking at facism on the rise, just going off the 12 signs.
Powerful and continuing nationalism
I can’t quite say wanting to be your own country when another is invading is a fact there. I can see this in the US of our “american exceptionalism”, and the way isreal is lobbying to basically consider themselves special status as examples of it going on today and now.
Disdain for human rights
Again in the US I can fully see it with our ICE and such, as well as unraveling of Roe vs Wade, burrying of Trans rights etc…
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Again can blatently see that in the US, hell as the president is even pushing the opposing party… in isreal I can see it with palestine, and Iran.
Rampant sexism
OK yeah I mean some level of that is all over the world
Controlled mass media
Again yeah strongly see that in the US with… the current presidency pushing it FCC putting pressure on stations to fire comedians and 60 minutes being pressured to pull stories, and in Russia and Isreal literally murdering journalists.
Obsession with national security
Kind of again super blatently a problem in the US, Hard to give judgement of it in ukrain because they are currently being invaded. While being invaded any nation is… well going to be obsessed with security.
Religion and government intertwined
OK so yeah again things I know of extreme with the US, and Isreal. Is this a case in Ukrain, again just looking for actual sources.
Corporate power protected
Labor power suppressed
Disdain for intellectual and the arts
Obsession with crime and punishment
Rampant cronyism and corruption
To blatent and direct to even begin to cover with regards to the US.
So my point is, I’d like actual sourced information. Again not trying to directly call it wrong, I’d like to see, a sourced argument that isn’t “They are just nazi’s, are you triggered?”.
Is that to say that you aren’t credulous about the idea of Ukraine having an election under martial law with only administration figures running? In which by law you aren’t allowed to have an opposition party or deviate from the party line about the war?
How are they too different to be compared. Genuinely asking. As far as I can tell they aren’t too far apart considering they have very similar outcomes in terms of elections. One party stays in power for all of eternity
The difference is that Ukraine has had several elections and major party changes since their independence. China has one party (different approach to checks and balances), and putin’s russia has only ever had one winning party (rigged elections, real opposition is arrested, poisoned, killed or all of the above).
Russia is like an ex you just can’t get rid of, slashing tyres, going through your trash, killing your pets and threatening any new potential partners.
But foreigners lesser therefore must be worse at everything, i know, typical usa “i’m the center of the universe” logic, evidence is for losers amirite fellow burgermunchers?
That’s probably the worst post I’ve seen all year. And that on 27.12… respect!
Can someone actually explain the Nazi Ukrain claims? I’ve actually tried to search because I want to know both sides even if I disagree with it, but I literally cannot find more than Putin says they are nazi’s.
So like on an international level looking at facism on the rise, just going off the 12 signs.
I can’t quite say wanting to be your own country when another is invading is a fact there. I can see this in the US of our “american exceptionalism”, and the way isreal is lobbying to basically consider themselves special status as examples of it going on today and now.
Again in the US I can fully see it with our ICE and such, as well as unraveling of Roe vs Wade, burrying of Trans rights etc…
Again can blatently see that in the US, hell as the president is even pushing the opposing party… in isreal I can see it with palestine, and Iran.
OK yeah I mean some level of that is all over the world
Again yeah strongly see that in the US with… the current presidency pushing it FCC putting pressure on stations to fire comedians and 60 minutes being pressured to pull stories, and in Russia and Isreal literally murdering journalists.
Kind of again super blatently a problem in the US, Hard to give judgement of it in ukrain because they are currently being invaded. While being invaded any nation is… well going to be obsessed with security.
OK so yeah again things I know of extreme with the US, and Isreal. Is this a case in Ukrain, again just looking for actual sources.
To blatent and direct to even begin to cover with regards to the US.
So my point is, I’d like actual sourced information. Again not trying to directly call it wrong, I’d like to see, a sourced argument that isn’t “They are just nazi’s, are you triggered?”.
No its a good post
It made 51 liberals angry
But it is kinda funny a propaganda post gets titled “So easily fooled”. How ironic.
Is that to say that you aren’t credulous about the idea of Ukraine having an election under martial law with only administration figures running? In which by law you aren’t allowed to have an opposition party or deviate from the party line about the war?
If that’s true then sure that’s fucked up but you guys never talk about how Russia and china are doing essentially the same thing.
It is true. Previously:
Russia is better but still shitty. It’s closer to the US.
the two countries you’re trying to equate with the third country are themselves too different from each other to be compared
How are they too different to be compared. Genuinely asking. As far as I can tell they aren’t too far apart considering they have very similar outcomes in terms of elections. One party stays in power for all of eternity
The difference is that Ukraine has had several elections and major party changes since their independence. China has one party (different approach to checks and balances), and putin’s russia has only ever had one winning party (rigged elections, real opposition is arrested, poisoned, killed or all of the above).
Russia is like an ex you just can’t get rid of, slashing tyres, going through your trash, killing your pets and threatening any new potential partners.
Uhh… usa is right here
But foreigners lesser therefore must be worse at everything, i know, typical usa “i’m the center of the universe” logic, evidence is for losers amirite fellow burgermunchers?
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