“Russia invading Ukraine” is a western propaganda line, to be accurate it should be more along the lines of “Russia invades the nazi puppet government of the US empire to prevent further empire NATO imperialism and reestablish the Ukrainian peoples proper government”
So Russia is invading? That alone, pretty much regardless of the reason, is enough to side with Ukraine.
But that reason, even if true, is one of the stupidest reasons to invade. A softer, more propaganda focused approach would be both far more effective and far less costly, in both lives and resources. So either Russian leadership is so useless that an invasion is the best they can come up with, or they’re invading to take over Ukraine. Incompetent to the point of malice, or malice. Take your pick.
Ah yes, because the fascist one for sure isn’t the country where people are afraid to speak openly. Let’s conviently forget what it’s doing to say, feminist voices inside it’s own borders. I’m not exactly a fan of most governments, but to pretend that Ukraine was doing anything to justify being invaded by Russia is just sympathy for fascism.
That’s not fucking true they fucking killed people just like israel killed Palestinians just because a eastern country attacked a western company that doesn’t equal a good cause
Soz, but you’re just continuing to parrot empire propa, Russia had a very good cause to put an end to relentless US imperialism through NATO. Of course all the western media is going to exaggerate on everything to make them seem horrible to those who believe the propaganda
I’m sorry, but what’s the track record for ‘foreign intervention to fight imperialism’ after WWII?
I’ll tell you: disaster. Every, single, one, western or not.
I find this:
Russia invades the nazi puppet government of the US empire to prevent further empire NATO imperialism and reestablish the Ukrainian peoples proper government
So ironic it goes from being painful to hilarious to painful again. Somehow, this one liberation war, among all in the last 100 years, will be the justified and successful one. Like how Americans were so happy being stuck in what was supposed to be a quick ‘liberation war’ in Vietnam. To quote Johnson:
Why are these realities our concern? Why are we in South Vietnam? We are there because we have a promise to keep. Since 1954 every American president has offered support to the people of South Vietnam. We have helped to build, and we have helped to defend. Thus, over many years, we have made a national pledge to help South Vietnam defend its independence. And I intend to keep that promise…
…But yeah. Oh, this one is the exception if we keep going, sure. Nods head and pats back. We’ll talk again in a few years…
Dont get fooled by the .ml brigade. The large majority of communists are not tankies simping for imperialist Russia but very aware that those imperialist powers need to be fought to establish a just society. We mostly just focus on the imperialist country we are living in
Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land (the main enemy is in ones own country) -Karl Liebknecht
This is an incredibly poor comment filled with unsupported gish-gallop. By making a mountain of claims without sourcing any of them, you try to hide behind the sheer numbers, then you quickly add that you only trust western, capitalist owned mass media. It’s incredibly dishonest.
Secondly, the fact that the current, far-right nationalist government in Ukraine reveres Stepan Bandera was even reported on by NPR in 2014. Bandera was a Nazi-collaborator that participated in the holocaust, the west backed the neo-nazis because they are the most violently anti-communist and anti-Russian.
Third, people do not say NATO is imperialist towards itself. NATO is an anti-communist, pro-imperialist millitary alliance of imperialist countries. The US is not imperializing Europe, Europe is vassalized but ultimately beneficiaries of imperialism. NATO destroyed Libya, Yugoslavia, organized terrorist attacks, encircles countries hostile to the west, etc. It’s the sheild that keeps the system by which the west loots and plunders the world in check. The fact that you don’t even know what leftists are talking about when we oppose NATO and are confusing it for being imperialist towards itself means you aren’t equipped to address the topic at hand.
Then, at the end, you throw in a mixed bag of claims without any backing. Israel should collapse so Palestine should be free. The US Empire should collapse, so the global south can be free. China isn’t anywhere close to as bad as the US, Europe, etc with how it treats the Uyghurs in Xjnjiang, read this Xinjiang Resource List.
If you’re on mobile, make shorter claims and back them up, don’t just list a mountain of unbacked claims and hope you aren’t called out on it.
“Russia invading Ukraine” is a western propaganda line, to be accurate it should be more along the lines of “Russia invades the nazi puppet government of the US empire to prevent further empire NATO imperialism and reestablish the Ukrainian peoples proper government”
So Russia is invading? That alone, pretty much regardless of the reason, is enough to side with Ukraine.
But that reason, even if true, is one of the stupidest reasons to invade. A softer, more propaganda focused approach would be both far more effective and far less costly, in both lives and resources. So either Russian leadership is so useless that an invasion is the best they can come up with, or they’re invading to take over Ukraine. Incompetent to the point of malice, or malice. Take your pick.
Ah yes, because the fascist one for sure isn’t the country where people are afraid to speak openly. Let’s conviently forget what it’s doing to say, feminist voices inside it’s own borders. I’m not exactly a fan of most governments, but to pretend that Ukraine was doing anything to justify being invaded by Russia is just sympathy for fascism.
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Says the liberal who refuses to see over the wall of western brainwashing
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“Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land” -Karl Liebknecht.
True for both western and eastern country’s comrade ;)
That’s not fucking true they fucking killed people just like israel killed Palestinians just because a eastern country attacked a western company that doesn’t equal a good cause
Soz, but you’re just continuing to parrot empire propa, Russia had a very good cause to put an end to relentless US imperialism through NATO. Of course all the western media is going to exaggerate on everything to make them seem horrible to those who believe the propaganda
I’m sorry, but what’s the track record for ‘foreign intervention to fight imperialism’ after WWII?
I’ll tell you: disaster. Every, single, one, western or not.
I find this:
So ironic it goes from being painful to hilarious to painful again. Somehow, this one liberation war, among all in the last 100 years, will be the justified and successful one. Like how Americans were so happy being stuck in what was supposed to be a quick ‘liberation war’ in Vietnam. To quote Johnson:
…But yeah. Oh, this one is the exception if we keep going, sure. Nods head and pats back. We’ll talk again in a few years…
Everyone arguing in this thread for two imperial powers lol the only people who make sense today are the anarchists.
Both are bad in their own ways what you say is very true
Dont get fooled by the .ml brigade. The large majority of communists are not tankies simping for imperialist Russia but very aware that those imperialist powers need to be fought to establish a just society. We mostly just focus on the imperialist country we are living in
Damn, you’re in deep. Good luck.
ROFL Says the liberal who refuses to see over the wall of western brainwashing
Good luck bro
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This is an incredibly poor comment filled with unsupported gish-gallop. By making a mountain of claims without sourcing any of them, you try to hide behind the sheer numbers, then you quickly add that you only trust western, capitalist owned mass media. It’s incredibly dishonest.
Secondly, the fact that the current, far-right nationalist government in Ukraine reveres Stepan Bandera was even reported on by NPR in 2014. Bandera was a Nazi-collaborator that participated in the holocaust, the west backed the neo-nazis because they are the most violently anti-communist and anti-Russian.
Third, people do not say NATO is imperialist towards itself. NATO is an anti-communist, pro-imperialist millitary alliance of imperialist countries. The US is not imperializing Europe, Europe is vassalized but ultimately beneficiaries of imperialism. NATO destroyed Libya, Yugoslavia, organized terrorist attacks, encircles countries hostile to the west, etc. It’s the sheild that keeps the system by which the west loots and plunders the world in check. The fact that you don’t even know what leftists are talking about when we oppose NATO and are confusing it for being imperialist towards itself means you aren’t equipped to address the topic at hand.
Then, at the end, you throw in a mixed bag of claims without any backing. Israel should collapse so Palestine should be free. The US Empire should collapse, so the global south can be free. China isn’t anywhere close to as bad as the US, Europe, etc with how it treats the Uyghurs in Xjnjiang, read this Xinjiang Resource List.
If you’re on mobile, make shorter claims and back them up, don’t just list a mountain of unbacked claims and hope you aren’t called out on it.