Then im forced to use windows at work and get locked into a 45 minute forced update.
Not to mention how horribly slow win11 is even on 64 gb ram and an i7.
And the bloatware. Never seen so much bloat (and ai slop shit) ever before. And start menu ads. Yay.
How do people use this trash!
I build cross platform desktop software professionally.
Because of this I have to use and pretty deeply understand the inner workings of every OS.
I can state as absolute fact that every major operating system including Linux is an absolute pile of hot garbage.
The difference is that macOS and windows are garbage on purpose. There were deliberate decisions to enshitify them for profit. They spent time and money making the OS worse on purpose.
On Linux most of the shitty parts were designed with good intentions but just kinda suck (Wayland for example).
Oh come on X11 is hot garbage the reason it was abandoned. It is so stupid that people think something designed in the 70s and patches to hell is still secure in the modern world.
X11 and Wayland can unfortunately both be kind terrible.
I also feel the same about wayland… I think wayland is designed for good purpose but its architecture kinda sucks. I’m curious what do you think should be done to improve unix windowing systems.
What parts of Wayland do you not like?
There is a good chance that it was also designed this way on purpose. Almost everything I have heard people complain about on Wayland boils down to “it does not do that on purpose for security reasons”. In order to get around the purposeful constraints, you need to design extension protocols to create desired functionality and not all of those have been built. It is still on purpose though.
You may simply disagree with the priorities. Which is what enshitification for profit is as well of course.
IDK I think Wayland will be great some day. But right now we’re between x11 and Wayland an both options suck.
I’m just over here trying to record my desktop and take screenshots haha.
“it does not do that on purpose for security reasons”.
I understand the motivations here but my priorities do not align with this. Not once in my life has someone recorded my desktop without my permission. I support the idea of having a secure environment but its just a pretty bad UX in the meantime.
Dont take this the wrong way. I think Wayland is a good idea in general. I just wish there was something else to hold us over in the meantime and x11 isnt really that.
Wow I never thought about it that way.
Do an atomic distro like bazzite, all the nerds are basically open sourcing IT with it by preconfiguring everything for you for every update.
It is a LOT of work indeed! In fact I even commented on that hours ago in https://lemmy.ml/post/36231170/21124115
… but as you mention the alternative is ALSO a lot of work PLUS frustrations.
So between learned helplessness and tiring empowerment the choice remains obvious.
FWIW whenever it feels like it’s “too much” I reminder myself how I browse through obscure
manpages decades ago… to still find them useful today! It’s crazy that so long after learning about tools likemoreorgrepis useful on :- a desktop
- a console (SteamDeck)
- a mobile phone (which basically didn’t exist back then)
- a VR headset (yes, via
termux) - the “cloud” (as in fine it’s just a server)
Today on my win11 work system, the windows menu stopped producing output when I typed into it and webpages stopped loading. Had to perform a full system restart to get it to work again.
I have to use a windows machine at work and without fail I have to restart it by early afternoon because it has nearly ground to a halt. Usually right when a client turns up and wants to see their work.
It’s an absolute embarrassment.
depends what you do, tbh. If you try to get a 3D program (that works well in Windows) to work on Linux, or try to get a game running as smooth as it is on Windows, then you are in for a lot of work.
But if your usage involves: simple web browser / email, codes, file operations. Then Linux is just plug and play, even much simpler than Windows. No ads, no constant updates nagging.
Linux just leaves you alone, if you mess some thing up it is you fault. On my Win 11 laptop, I got logged off by the damn OS just for it to display a popup with something bullshit like “Sign in to OneDrive to protect your PC”
You’re wrong about the games part. Most of us have no issues with that because of proton. As long as the game doesn’t require kernel level anti-cheat malware.
And yeah, 3D program written for windows is not going to run on Linux natively without issues. That’s common sense. It’s up to the developers to support more platforms, and that will happen with market share.
Your complaining about linux in the title and windows in the post
I believe that’s on purpose, a subversion of expectations.
Correct. Im saying its a lot of work but still the end of the day im proud. UGLY AND PROUD
Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC + StartAllBack, and having none of those problems. 🤷
But it’s still Windows.
Doesn’t matter how much hot sauce and cinnamon you dunno on to a turd, it’s still a turd.
Still windows but if you remove the bloatware, its “a turd” but it smells less. If that helps. Windows is terrible, I agree, but for those who need to use it, any software like startallback, or something like the chris titus tool should be recommended.
Strange, doesn’t feel like a turd using it as a daily driver. Feels more like XP or 7 after a fresh install.
Your Windows install breaks because Microsoft fucked it up.
My Linux install breaks because I fucked it up.We are not the same.
I’ve found Linux easier and a much better user experience than windows 10 or 11.
If you use a straightforward distro that doesn’t let you do stupid stuff (like Bazzite or Fedora Kinoite or any other atomic distro), Linux becomes easy.
Atomic distros made my coming back to Linux a dream. I don’t want the hassle and I don’t want to break shit. That was fun in my youth, now I want shit that works.
Samesies. Fucked around with Ubuntu when I was younger and found all sorts of ways to bork my installation. Too many gnome themes.
I’m on the opposite end with Nixos. Hard as fuck to use but god is it stable. Especially when you start leaning into things like impermanence and flakes. Crazy learning curve / upfront effort
I agree, atomic distos have allowed me to make the switch and are better and easier than windows and even macos.
That’s why I finally switched to mint after decades of pain
Yeah, ever since switching to Bluefin, it’s been a dream. I don’t have to fight the laptop or myself when I do something stupid.
The nice thing is that Linux is always improving and Windows is always in retrograde. The more users Linux has, the faster it will improve. If the current state of Linux is acceptable enough for you as a user, then it should be possible to get your foot in the door and ride the wave upwards. If not, wait for the wave to reach your comfort level. People always say <CURRENT_YEAR> is the year of the Linux desktop but IMO the real year of the Linux desktop was like 4 or 5 years ago now, and hopefully that captured momentum will keep going until critical mass is achieved (optimistically, I think we’re basically already there).
Probably because one is solely for shareholders and one isn’t ;)
This is so true. It’s been good enough for me for so many years at this point, and yet it just keeps getting better. The whole experience is so much nicer now than it was years ago, which was better than years before that, etc.
(That said, better hardware also helps a lot.)
It sometimes is, but then sometimes Linux is not to blame.
Yesterday I was installing CachyOS on my son’s laptop, because that’s what he chose to use instead of Windows 10. The desktop came up fine, but no wifi adaptor was detected. I could try another more mainstream distro, but I wanted my kid to have what he chose. So we went troubleshooting. Googled the laptop model, found the adaptor, found the matching kernel module, checked the logs… and there it was, a cryptic error -110. Googled that and there was an answer: disable Windows Fast Boot.
It turns out that Windows locks the wifi adaptor when shutting down in Fast Boot mode. So after disabling it and a couple of reboots later, CachyOS was installing flawlessly.
It served as a lesson for me and an example for my kid to persevere and learn more.
I was raised in the xp/windows 7 era. I switched to Arch Linux this year and have never been more satisfied with my computer. If i get stuck, the wiki and other nerds are happy to come to the rescue.
XP was my last dual-boot. XP really wasn’t bad. I always feel like I dodged a the Vista bullet.
I loved XP, but i havent used it since i was like 13. I kept it well into the vista era. That pc finally died right before windows 8. That one pissed me off. It was so clearly meant for tablets and still being crammed into non-touch screens
switching away from linux is the experience that most cements our love for linux.
you start to notice all the garbage you had to put up with all along.
Linux IS a lot of work to keep up with. But it’s also way better to use after that work is done. And won’t be enshittified against your will with every update, unlike Windows.
That’s half the fun though isn’t? I’ll tinker on my arch or nixos machines all the time just changing things, playing around with customization, trying out repos and what have you. I love just trying out new stuff people have made and seeing if I can use it for my workflow.
That love of tinkering is why I’ve landed on not using an immutable distro for my first time installing Linux since the 00s. CachyOS is what I landed on; now I just need to catch up on work so I can take a day to tinker with my setup.
For context, I semi-broke my current Windows 11 install by trying to manually edit the registry to remove all traces of a piece of invasive, uninstallable bloatware (that comes direct from ASRock… the bastards) I accidentally installed. Turns out my sound drivers are from the same company, so when I deleted all entries with that company in the search terms, I FUBARed my Bluetooth audio and 3.5mm microphone. And didn’t backup the registry.
I like to tinker, and if I need to reinstall my OS anyway, so now is the time to finally switch!
I never understood why windows updates take so long.
I can format and reinstall a linux distro in 10 minutes. I can update everything after that reinstall in 5 minutes.
On the same machine a windows update takes almost an hour. A format and reinstall can take several hours.
What is windows doing that takes so much longer?
Installing Spyware and ads
