That ratio was much higher for me. I’d say about 70% sent a message. Probably work on the profile, make it more interesting? If that is now really gone I’m not sure whether I ever install that App anymore, it was nice not having to come up with first messages with questionable outcome…
That’s the premium feature in pretty much every dating app. You get to see who likes you but you have to pay the money to find out if anyone swiped on you at all.
They imply that lots of people swiped on you but you don’t actually know until after you’ve given the money.
So basically your plan is to just remove the con part which I’m all in favor of.
Exactly, Im 50 and Im not rich or particularly good looking. If I was straight I might only see 5 or 6 women on the app that would match with me to begin with and if those didn’t become anything I’d be done with that app. It can’t work
Would you rather see 5 or 6 women that all expressed interest in you or a thousand women who have never and probably will never even see you? Open the app, swipe 5 or 6 times, move on with your life.
As someone who has spent a stupid amount of time browsing Tinder for shits & giggles, I’m not sure I wouldn’t want that. But then again I’m gay and things work way differently for us. If I swipe right, it’s very likely we match and then have a boring convo that goes nowhere. Maybe I suck at it but I never have any luck despite everything.
You’re gonna have a boring convo on a chat app with a random stranger. You’re both interested in each other, just ask to meet up. Do something interesting together and the conversation will flow naturally.
Sure, but you’ve got to build that habit of checking the app. Gotta lure people back for more little hits of dopamine. The men aren’t going to subscribe (or at least stay subscribed) if they aren’t getting that illusion of lots of options for people to date.
They’re not “exhausting options”. They’re just only seeing the options that are actually available, rather than an endless stream of those that aren’t.
If I see five options and then date those five and it goes nowhere if there aren’t new potential matches presented regardless of suitability the user will go to a different app where they are given the illusion of more choice.
Great, so I can just use any other dating app now, and don’t need Bumble anymore? What kind of genius move it is to kill the signature feature. But oh well the person responsible already left…
Edit: on the scale of all women versus all men, it’s not even close. Men are by far the hornier of the two biological sexes. There are specific women who can be hornier than a lot of men, and there are men who are not sexual at all…. This does not mean that it is incorrect to generalize and say that men are hornier.
Well cultural habits are slow to change. I suspect it would take some 20 years to change the dynamics such than women are always expected to make the first move.
Bumble was well positioned to push for that change, unfortunately earning revenue has a priority, they are are a business after all. Still their gimmick got the ball rolling, we’ll see who picks it up next.
That is definitely not it. Looking at my bio which I wrote ages ago I’m actually kind of concerned I’m slightly doxing in myself the amount of information that’s in there.
The problem is that there is a social convention that men start the conversation, so a lot of women just aren’t very good at openings, so they say “hi” and then I’ve basically got to carry the conversation. So what’s the point in the app then?
Even if they just opened with “sorry I’m not very good at this yet” it would be a start, but noooo.
Yeah I can see how women message first will tank a dating app. That fucking stupid. I get it that women get bombarded with messages from guys on dating apps. But guess what all the time I used the apps 0% was I ever messaged by a woman.
Women don’t chase men because they don’t have too. I knew several women I help set up their dating profiles. They would get a 1000 hits, mostly guys says “hey” or the worse be :hey baby".
How I realize just how easy and why I never had problems with dating apps. You got to give a woman more then hey and calling them baby is just cringe. Then you get the guys straight up asking for sex or nudes. Anyways point is having the app where the men can’t make a move unless the women contact you? Will not work wtf was she thinking?
Hell most of them like to just scroll, none of them were interested in making the first move.
Can you perhaps understand why that might be as bad as getting no messages at all? How many dick pictures were mixed in? Many, many, many men use these apps to spam matching with everyone. Those “hi”’s rarely lead to actual connection.
whatsoever she was doing didn’t work why they fired her ass.
You’re contradicting yourself, because you didn’t understand (or didn’t read) the article.
Bumble was a platform where only women could message first. It was a leading platform for a while. This CEO changed that to be a more conventional system where men could message first. After that change, the user base dwindled and the stock tanked, as you noted.
In other words, they were much more successful as a woman-message-first platform.
I see never used Bumble, well are they changing it back? What other features does it hold? Is like all the rest now were you swipe left or right? I used OKCUPID back when you had to put thought into your profile. And the longer the better.
Because the moment a woman makes a move, then the guy just falls the hell over on themselves thinking they’ve struck jackpot, then they’ll start pouring in their long-ass list of shitty pick up lines. Just admit it, guys cannot for the life of them, treat a woman as a woman and as a human being. There is always, always some underlying goal a guy has most of the time, when it comes to finally talking with a woman who bothers giving them even 5 minutes of their time.
Because you need to hear it, either figure out how to have an intriguing personality (not thirsty) and do some self improvement instead of bitching that all the girls are impossible. Your incel is showing hard.
There’s a big problem with the “women message first” gimmick, and it’s that they just don’t.
If they don’t simply let the match expire, you either get a shitty Gif, or something along the lines of “hey.”
Maybe one in ten will actually send a message that genuinely starts a conversation.
That ratio was much higher for me. I’d say about 70% sent a message. Probably work on the profile, make it more interesting? If that is now really gone I’m not sure whether I ever install that App anymore, it was nice not having to come up with first messages with questionable outcome…
Maybe it’s you guys, but I never really had this issue.
it would work better if it was "women swipe first’. men can look at and swipe the women who swiped them already. this solves two problems:
please give me 1 million dollars
That’s the premium feature in pretty much every dating app. You get to see who likes you but you have to pay the money to find out if anyone swiped on you at all.
They imply that lots of people swiped on you but you don’t actually know until after you’ve given the money.
So basically your plan is to just remove the con part which I’m all in favor of.
thanks
This means men will see many fewer women on the platform in many cases.
it means men would not spend hours on the app, which means nobody would ever do this
Exactly, Im 50 and Im not rich or particularly good looking. If I was straight I might only see 5 or 6 women on the app that would match with me to begin with and if those didn’t become anything I’d be done with that app. It can’t work
Would you rather see 5 or 6 women that all expressed interest in you or a thousand women who have never and probably will never even see you? Open the app, swipe 5 or 6 times, move on with your life.
As someone who has spent a stupid amount of time browsing Tinder for shits & giggles, I’m not sure I wouldn’t want that. But then again I’m gay and things work way differently for us. If I swipe right, it’s very likely we match and then have a boring convo that goes nowhere. Maybe I suck at it but I never have any luck despite everything.
You’re gonna have a boring convo on a chat app with a random stranger. You’re both interested in each other, just ask to meet up. Do something interesting together and the conversation will flow naturally.
This is very well put.
Exceptthe company that makes the app needs you to keep dating to make money. If ypu have 5 options and they don’t pan out you are done with that app.
Who wants men spending hours on the app and why? Most of these are subscription-based, not ad-supported.
Sure, but you’ve got to build that habit of checking the app. Gotta lure people back for more little hits of dopamine. The men aren’t going to subscribe (or at least stay subscribed) if they aren’t getting that illusion of lots of options for people to date.
Yes, that’s the idea. They wouldn’t see anyone who hasn’t already liked them.
Which means after the exhaust those few options they won’t use that app again. No app developer will do this.
They’re not “exhausting options”. They’re just only seeing the options that are actually available, rather than an endless stream of those that aren’t.
You get that not seeing more people is the problem for the developer, right?
What?
If I see five options and then date those five and it goes nowhere if there aren’t new potential matches presented regardless of suitability the user will go to a different app where they are given the illusion of more choice.
I loved bumble when I was on it 🤷♂️ much, much higher hit rate than any other app
I have by far more luck getting matches on tinder
I literally saw so many profiles being like “I don’t message first”, like do you even understand what the app you’ve signed up for is?
I always wondered if they realised we actually can’t send the first message.
Well, men CAN message first, as of like 8 months ago.
Great, so I can just use any other dating app now, and don’t need Bumble anymore? What kind of genius move it is to kill the signature feature. But oh well the person responsible already left…
So same result as when men message first.
Might just be my experience, but men put in more effort. Probably because women are more desirable so they don’t really need to.
*superficially desirable
*men are hornier
*some men are hornier.
*most
Edit: on the scale of all women versus all men, it’s not even close. Men are by far the hornier of the two biological sexes. There are specific women who can be hornier than a lot of men, and there are men who are not sexual at all…. This does not mean that it is incorrect to generalize and say that men are hornier.
Well cultural habits are slow to change. I suspect it would take some 20 years to change the dynamics such than women are always expected to make the first move.
Bumble was well positioned to push for that change, unfortunately earning revenue has a priority, they are are a business after all. Still their gimmick got the ball rolling, we’ll see who picks it up next.
Just like with anything, if you put something interesting in your bio, women will use that as conversation starter.
That is definitely not it. Looking at my bio which I wrote ages ago I’m actually kind of concerned I’m slightly doxing in myself the amount of information that’s in there.
The problem is that there is a social convention that men start the conversation, so a lot of women just aren’t very good at openings, so they say “hi” and then I’ve basically got to carry the conversation. So what’s the point in the app then? Even if they just opened with “sorry I’m not very good at this yet” it would be a start, but noooo.
No, they didn’t. I had plenty in my bio about hobbies, sports etc, very few mentioned it.
Yeah I can see how women message first will tank a dating app. That fucking stupid. I get it that women get bombarded with messages from guys on dating apps. But guess what all the time I used the apps 0% was I ever messaged by a woman.
Women don’t chase men because they don’t have too. I knew several women I help set up their dating profiles. They would get a 1000 hits, mostly guys says “hey” or the worse be :hey baby".
How I realize just how easy and why I never had problems with dating apps. You got to give a woman more then hey and calling them baby is just cringe. Then you get the guys straight up asking for sex or nudes. Anyways point is having the app where the men can’t make a move unless the women contact you? Will not work wtf was she thinking?
Hell most of them like to just scroll, none of them were interested in making the first move.
Can you perhaps understand why that might be as bad as getting no messages at all? How many dick pictures were mixed in? Many, many, many men use these apps to spam matching with everyone. Those “hi”’s rarely lead to actual connection.
I mean, it did work though. It was one of the top dating apps for a long time.
Huh the app lost 53% of stock price so no whatsoever she was doing didn’t work why they fired her ass.
You’re contradicting yourself, because you didn’t understand (or didn’t read) the article.
Bumble was a platform where only women could message first. It was a leading platform for a while. This CEO changed that to be a more conventional system where men could message first. After that change, the user base dwindled and the stock tanked, as you noted.
In other words, they were much more successful as a woman-message-first platform.
I see never used Bumble, well are they changing it back? What other features does it hold? Is like all the rest now were you swipe left or right? I used OKCUPID back when you had to put thought into your profile. And the longer the better.
You literally listed a bunch of reasons why men shouldn’t be allowed to message first
Because the moment a woman makes a move, then the guy just falls the hell over on themselves thinking they’ve struck jackpot, then they’ll start pouring in their long-ass list of shitty pick up lines. Just admit it, guys cannot for the life of them, treat a woman as a woman and as a human being. There is always, always some underlying goal a guy has most of the time, when it comes to finally talking with a woman who bothers giving them even 5 minutes of their time.
And you highlighted them.
The best way to get laid is to not try to get laid and actually interact with each other like humans
Why are you telling me this? Go tell the dude above.
Because you need to hear it, either figure out how to have an intriguing personality (not thirsty) and do some self improvement instead of bitching that all the girls are impossible. Your incel is showing hard.