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Meanwhile there’s https://loops.video/ and you should share that like I’m doing with your friends that are hooked on tiktok.
Cuz, fuck, this banning our voice thing is getting old.
Pretty sure they’re getting the internet hug of death atm.
Lol. Very true. And on a weekend! Lol. With great pow…app comes a bunch of users.
“TikTok is influencing you politically”
So you’ll shut down Fox News, right?
Facebook too. Don’t forget Cambridge Analytica
I support blocking Facebook and X from the EU for the same reason.
I support blocking commercial, proprietary and centralized social media everywhere.
I don’t like to be that guy, however if we play with your idea, there are some issues you will need to consider.
Centralization If we ban centralization then IRC, Signal, Xenforo, vBulletin, you name it will be forbidden as well. There is a reason why we always see some degree of centralization. Federation is tricky to get right from a technical point of view. Even when you have federation, each unit in that “web” will usually have a centralized moderation team and administration.
Proprietary Sometimes, spam/abuse is fought with the help of obscurity. In other words, service providers will hide exactly how they detect spam to prevent spammers from adapting and bypass their technique. Even Signal does this. They have a small proprietary piece of code, specifically designed to fight spam/abuse. The rest of their code is open source as far as I know. Can you suggest a comparable alternative?
Commercial Do you mean that they at most should be non-profit? And if so, why?
If we ban centralization then IRC, Signal, Xenforo, vBulletin
Signal is not social media, IRC is an open protocol, isn’t it? I do not know about the rest.
Even when you have federation, each unit in that “web” will usually have a centralized moderation team and administration.
I do not have a problem with that. The problem with centralized social media is that users are locked in to using some specific app because all their friends are there, which makes it harder to switch. This gives monopolies like Facebook an unfair advantage.
Can you suggest a comparable alternative?
I dunno, how Lemmy does this?
Do you mean that they at most should be non-profit? And if so, why?
Yes I mean that. For-profit social media profits from increasing user engagement, even if that means through getting people addicted, intentionally not dealing with misinformation (because misinformation is usually more outrageous and gets people more engaged), data collection and other unethical practices, all because shareholders need the line to go up.
Apparently, Meta has just taken part in a huge destabilizing propaganda campaign here in Brazil. The kind that criminal law has punishment for.
It will certainly take a while to gather all evidence and verify it, so I’m saving the popcorn for later. But I just ensured I have enough kernel for a US-sized portion…
It will certainly take a while to gather all evidence and verify it
So … if the evidence hasn’t been gathered yet what makes you think it’s happening?
They suddenly showing select videos more times than they have users on the country.
The evidence needed is to determine who exactly and why. The what is very clear.
Another one: Elon Musk is pushing the whole Grooming Gang propaganda on X to cause tensions in the UK. As if nobody cares about victims when the perpetrator happens to be brown. It’s absolute populist BS.
He is also saying that the parliament should be dissolved, and is throwing around more outrageous accusations: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/01/04/elon-musk-pushes-for-britains-king-charles-to-dissolve-parliament-as-lawmakers-say-tesla-ceo-is-misinformed/
We have people with obvious political agendas controlling the world’s largest social media platforms, and it’s not just the CCP.
When you said “pushing the … propaganda” I assumed you meant using algorithms to artificially amplify these messages.
But the whole article is just about Musk posting his opinions on X.
You were right the first time. Not to defend Musk’s populist tirade, but I was talking about how he and others in power are using these platforms to inorganically amplify propaganda.
I’m not a free speech absolutist and I do not believe libel should be allowed. But this is about more than that just one person defaming others.
“Hey! We can’t let them steal that. I wanted to steal that!”
Government: We don’t like competition.
YOUR data doesn’t matter. Information gained from mass analysis of data that is tied to govt workers and military personnel is a security concern and it is treated as such. Nobody cares about your particular data, on either side (well, maybe ad companies, but if you are a tiktoker, you are already fully compromised there).
On the up side for tiktok kids. The CCP will likely order trump to unblock it.
If our data didn’t matter, they wouldn’t be harvesting it, never mind making obscene amounts of money with it. If our data didn’t matter, there would not be a multibillion dollar industry based entirely upon it.
YOUR data DOES matter, if it didn’t, why would they go to such lengths to gather it in the first place?
Yeah … I said that. Your data can be used and sold, it just doesn’t have anything to do with a tiktok ban. They already have your ad data, especially if you are a tiktoker/social media user. The van stems from security concerns, it has nothing to do with the average user, no one cares about them.
US government couldn’t give two shits if TikTok steals your data. They just don’t want a foreign adversary to.
Also, they don’t care about the data. They care about the influence.
This is the most literate take on the issue that I’ve seen.
What part of “China is a geopolitical adversary so maybe it’s fucking different” is so hard for paint chip eaters to understand?
Political interference, that’s what people need to fear from the platform. I’m sure if it was Russian I wouldn’t have to say it.
Hell, just look at the number of pro TikTok memes being shared right now, there’s something fishy happening.
And their dickhead CEO is invited to the inauguration. Yeah, fishy.
Trump went from wanting it banned to not wanting it banned because it was working in his favor this time, which is… Political interference!
Crazy how hypocritical people are… X should be banned because Musk can interfere in politics with his algorithms, but TikTok doing the same thing on behalf of the Chinese government? No problem!
Musk’s X hurting America is just America hurting itself, deservedly. TikTok hurting America is the CCP hurting America, undeservedly.
You can see how an American Company operating rationally would want to limit negative socioeconomic outcomes, but a Chinese Dictatorship Military operation would want to maximize it?
They did. Divisions H and I of HR 815 of the 118th Congress make it illegal to collect, broker, lease, trade, or sell US Citizen’s personally identifying data to an adversarial nation which is defined in Article 10 as China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea.
You’re complaining about the law and you literally have no idea what that law says?
The problem is this doesn’t apply across the board. Why is it only illegal if they’re selling it to a foreign company? It should be illegal to sell it full stop. This just gives the US government a monopoly on the information which I’m more afraid of than a foreign country having my data since I live here and they can directly affect me.
They made it illegal to sell it to people who explicitly want to harm the USA. Thats a good start.
Ironically, most USA based social media platforms are already banned in China. It just makes sense, if TikTok wants to operate here they need the chinese owners to divest to below 20% or stop sending personal data overseas.
Ah ok so we should start doing the things China does then? I think them banning social media platforms is also bad when the bans are just done for the sake of monopolizing social media platforms under the control of the government. Decentralized platforms like this are a nice way around that but most people aren’t gonna use them. So having platforms based in different countries to allow different perspectives on stories like with Israel/Palestine is good. Cause if we can only access American social media platforms you know they’re just gonna fully suppress coverage on issues that America and various lobbying groups don’t want to be talked about.
By banning FaceBook, China is keeping itself safe from influence that could be used as a weapon to cause great and irreparable damages.
Whether I want harm to come to them is besides the point that it is a rational and logical decision.
I think the disconnect here is that you don’t think they are weapons, that you don’t think they will be used to commit harm.
So technically you’re right, but the law they passed left a HUGE loophole. And by loophole I mean just don’t be based on those counties and you can gobble up whatever data you like.
It’s not even a “loophole” it’s literally irrelevant to what people generally think of as “data privacy.” Something like GDPR is an example of data privacy.
You also can’t send the data there or be more than 20% owned by non-US-citizen citizens of those countries.
TikTok owners have stated repeatedly that they will shut down this Sunday rather than sell.
Sure, but even if TikTok sold it wouldn’t solve the problem. Hell them not selling also doesn’t solve the problem.
The problem is that data is gobbled up and sold. Data/privacy protection laws to stop that would be useful.
Those laws should cover every social media site though. Not just the foreign ones. If they’re going to ban tik-tok they should ban the rest too. I’m not in favor of this but the double standard is fucking stupid.
I choose to believe a hostile foreign dictatorship means more harm than a hostile domestic for profit business.
Probably because that aligns with what each of them says they want, to say nothing of their actions.
Bht hey, if at least one of them gets banned thats a win.
I choose to believe a hostile foreign dictatorship means more harm than a hostile domestic for profit business.
WTF is the foreign dictatorship going to do to the average citizen?
“Pig Butchering” and political radicalization towards violence, as well as the largest YoY increase in hacks, specifically from china, which have had large measurable impacts on US Industry.
And thats just ongoing problems, they’ve probably gotten enough peoples social security, bank acc no., fingerprint, facial ID, etc to do so much more if they decide to cash in on their schemes early.
Also, if they suddenly decide the USA is weak enough, such as after losing a third of annual defence spending capability via withdrawal from NATO, the Chinese now have intimate knowledge of our defences.
You are already paying the price and it could only get worse.
Most of those things are facilitated via US social media as well.
Data privacy is so much more than “selling data to China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.” What a weak rebuttal.
So nothing short of a complete ban of all social media and advertising is Data Privacy to you, then?
Something like GDPR would be the sane, non-strawman take.
Right so the arbitrary line of not data privacy and is data privacy lay just before GDPR.
My point is that you saw this image and immediately concluded that OP didn’t know there was any sort of data privacy adjacent thing in the law, but in reality it could be that OP knew that but wanted stronger protections or just didn’t consider those clauses “data privacy.”
When people think of data privacy they generally don’t think of “selling data to adversarial nations.” They usually think of “selling data to anyone” or “the right to request their data be deleted.”
If you don’t recognize data privacy as data privacy thats just a skill issue.
You’re literally the one not recognizing it, but okay.
Cool so what does this law do for me again? I live in America i personally will never interact with those 4 countries. The wording is also dangerous calling Chinaa foreign adversary comparable with the other 3. Which is dangerous. We are in active war with 3 where as China we do massive business.
Passed in April 2024 so useful when Facebook was a broker for Russia in 2016 DIVISION H-- PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS ACT
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok). However, the prohibition does not apply to a covered application that executes a qualified divestiture as determined by the President.
Under the division, a foreign adversary controlled application is an application directly or indirectly operated by (1) ByteDance, Ltd., TikTok, their subsidiaries, successors, related entities they control, or entities controlled by a foreign adversary country; or (2) a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary country and determined by the President to present a significant threat to national security. (Here, a social media company excludes any website or application primarily used to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.)
For the purposes of this division, a foreign adversary country includes North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran.
A qualified divestiture is a transaction that the President has determined (through an interagency process)
would result in the relevant foreign adversary controlled application no longer being controlled by a foreign adversary, and precludes the establishment or maintenance of any operational relationship between the U.S. operations of the relevant application and any formerly affiliated entities that are controlled by a foreign adversary (including any cooperation with respect to the operation of a content recommendation algorithm or a data-sharing agreement).The prohibition applies 270 days after the date of the division’s enactment. The division authorizes the President to grant a one-time extension of up to 90 days to a covered application when the President has certified to Congress that (1) a path to executing a qualified divestiture of the covered application has been identified, (2) evidence of significant progress toward executing such qualified divestiture of the covered application has been produced, and (3) relevant legal agreements to enable execution of such qualified divestiture during the period of such extension are in place.
Additionally, the division requires a covered foreign adversary controlled application to provide a user with all available account data (including posts, photos, and videos) at the user’s request before the prohibition takes effect. The account data must be provided in a machine-readable format.
The division authorizes the Department of Justice to investigate violations and enforce its provisions. Entities that that violate the division are subject to civil penalties for violations. An entity that violates the prohibition on distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a covered application is subject to a maximum penalty of $5,000 multiplied by the number of U.S. users who have accessed, maintained, or updated the application as a result of the violation. An entity that violates the requirement to provide account data to a user upon request is subject to a maximum penalty of $500 multiplied by the number of U.S. users impacted by the violation.
(Sec. 3) The division gives the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia exclusive jurisdiction over any challenge to the division. A challenge to the division must be brought within 165 days after the division’s enactment date. A challenge to any action, finding, or determination under the division must be brought with 90 days of the action, finding, or determination.
DIVISION I–PROTECTING AMERICANS’ DATA FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES ACT OF 2024
Protecting Americans’ Data from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act of 2024
This division makes it unlawful for a data broker to sell, license, rent, trade, transfer, release, disclose, or otherwise make available specified personally identifiable sensitive data of individuals who reside in the United States to North Korea, China, Russia, or Iran or an entity controlled by such a country (e.g., headquartered in or owned by a person in the country).
Sensitive data includes government-issued identifiers (e.g., Social Security numbers), financial account numbers, biometric information, genetic information, precise geolocation information, and private communications (e.g., texts or emails).
A data broker generally includes an entity that sells or otherwise provides data of individuals that the entity did not collect directly from the individuals. A data broker does not include an entity that transmits an individual’s data or communications at the request or direction of the individual or an entity that makes news or information available to the general public.
The division provides for enforcement by the Federal Trade Commission.
Didn’t read.
Then why wasn’t tik tok blocked immediately instead of being allowed to operate for years.
It shuts down this Sunday, so less than a year. To give them the opportunity to
a) Stop sending US Citizen personal data to China
AND
b) Divest Chinese Ownership to below 20%
To be clear, the USA didn’t ban TikTok. TikTok owners are choosing to shut it down rather than sell.
The ban going into effect on Sunday is not the result of Donald Trump’s actions but instead the 2024 HR 815 of the 118th Congress, divisions H and I.
The meme references the US violating privacy.
And what does the meme say?
Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
ignorance is bliss
It would be easy and rational to attribute misinformation memes like this to ignorance, but to be honest I can’t help by imagine it is malice.
I don’t like or use TikTok, but when I see US politicians and TV “Security experts” spiting nonsense arguments to justify banning it shows to me that this is a frivolous case to benefit META and Alphabet rather than a genuine concern in data collection and privacy.
No one gives a shit if your data is collected. I (and presumably you) are not worthwhile targets. The issue is the Chinese government using social media apps based in China to feed anti-US/pro-Chinese propaganda. I’d bet $100 that if (mostly likely when) China invades Taiwan all Chinese owned social media outlets will instantly feature lots of anti-Taiwan content in every country that they may turn for help to try and turn the US population’s opinion more favorable to China’s side.
This has already happened in douyin, Chinese version of tiktok.
Honestly at this point I rather have China steal my data vs. The US government. I’d be more likely to see a negative impact from data collection from the US government rather than China. China can’t really influence my insurance rates. The US can.
There are laws, TikTok is almost certainly breaking them.
