I wouldn’t enforce it on my last day for $100,000,000.00 dollars!
But just go here and sign up to loops anyway and help pass the word! https://loops.video/
I’ve tried 3 separate times to sign up for loops. The latest was actually last night. Shit fails every time.
You gotta wait a day for the link to the apk file to install the app. I’m waiting for it patiently.
Won’t enforce it when, today and tomorrow?
Bad title. Biden won’t enforce it because “Given the sheer fact of timing, this Administration recognizes that actions to implement the law simply must fall to the next Administration, which takes office on Monday”. Trump takes office literally the next day, so he’s going to have to enforce it (or not).
Nah, midnight orders are a thing. But the event isn’t on the 20th, it’s on the 19th. The administration could absolutely shut it down.
Here is a list of the other 34 countries that have banned it and their reasons why: https://time.com/6971009/tiktok-banned-restrictions-worldwide-countries-united-states-law/
Most countries concerned about disinformation campaigns influencing politics, or brainwashing children (probably some adults too)
Ah, yes. Rule 34 of the TikTok ban.
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Wot?
Here is a list of the other 34 countries
So, I called it Rule 34. It was a joke.
It’s literally all bans on government devices. Which is totally reasonable. Ban it from govt devices.
This has been my take ever since this conversation started, I’m not on TikTok because I generally dislike social media and would become dangerously addicted to its format. But as far as propaganda, disinformation, and China snooping on users without access to state secrets it’s no worse than facebook or Twitter or any other social media app.
China snooping shouldn’t even be the first reason it’s banned, only apps actually required for the job should be on government devices. That’s basic OPSec.
Tiktok is worse because Facebook and Twitter cooperate with governments to remove misinformation. As well as allow governments to review their algorithm.
Misinformation is going to exist. What’s bad is when a platform is pushing it intentionally and your government has no power to remove it.
Even small countries like New Zealand were able to work with Facebook to get content removed.
You could argue that Twitter and Facebook are now doing exactly what tiktok is accused of doing but the difference is that the next American president supports them promoting this misinformation.
Let the record show that Facebook reluctantly cooperated with the government because they had to. Just like they reluctantly implemented better network security measures after shit happened because Zuck and Sandberg saw that as an inconvenience. They wanted to innovate their product and by that I mean make money, fucking greedy bastards.
The book An Ugly Truth: Inside Facebook’s Battle for Domination by Sheera Frenkel & Cecilia Kang has all the juicy details.
Yes I know they didn’t do it enthusiastically but that’s what happens when you’re under the government. Bytedance has no obligation to do the same.
That’s not fair. It’s totally banned in at least Afghanistan, Iran, and North Korea.
India too iirc
Which is ironic given that Facebook and YouTube are probably not banned. I would think that those have played a far far bigger role in the rise of the right, vaccination scepticism and general conspiracy theories
Their owned by Westerners so it’s okay.
Looks like much of the northern hemisphere does not trust TickTok.
Propaganda in action.
There’s a trade war between the US and China, so useful idiots are proud to do the dirty work for their rulers.
Whenever I see someone spreading FUD about tiktok or huawei, I would question them only to be met with “it’s so obvious, I’m not going to tell you the details” or linking to a blog that doesn’t contain any evidence. This happened, without fail, every time.
It really cemented in my mind that most people are just sheep being herded by those smarter and richer than them.
Stupidity is in vogue. It’s cool to be a useful idiot.
Always has been like that I think
Whether or not this particular ban is enforced is irrelevant. The point was simply to establish the precedent that the government can restrict citizens’ access to social media.
The thing people aren’t getting about this law is it’s extremely broad, with no due process. The definition they use for organizations that are subject to this law could literally include the New York Times. And designating an organization as controlled by a foreign adversary is a declaration by the Secretary of Commerce.
There’s no court, no hearing, no public notice, no juries, and only one judge (the secretary).
The point of taking down TikTok is twofold. One, they have a Boogeyman they can use to push it through. Two, if they can shut down an app with 170 million users then they can shut down anyone. That’s half the country that uses TikTok. If they can do that without protests then they can shut down anyone.
The point of taking down TikTok is twofold. One, they have a Boogeyman they can use to push it through. Two, if they can shut down an app with 170 million users then they can shut down anyone.
Exactly.
They needed a pretense for taking down a social media site in spite of the fact that it’s not violating any existing laws and in spite of widespread opposition to the takedown,and TikTok served both of those purposes.
And now, armed with Supreme Court approval, they can set about barring access to pretty much any site they want, for whatever reason they want, regardless of public opinion.
I mean they’re also banning chinese networking hardware, chinese phone manufacturers, chinese software in cars, considering banning chinese drones, potentially banning tencent games, etc etc
I’m feeling pretty confident that the goal here is banning chinese spying considering all the other bans.
They ban it to protect their companies, china would sell too cheap until all American competitors die out.
Its being banned because of Zionist lobbying to censor pro Palestinian content. The China spying story is a cover.
US Social media platforms like Meta have been aggressively censoring Palestinian content.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/meta-censorship-devastating-palestinian-news-sources
Jonathan Greenblatt. ADL director gave it away last year in a leaked recording when he said “we have a TikTok problem”.
Then they should ban that, not pass an extremely broad law as I detail in another comment.
No government ever oppresses its citizenry by announcing that they’re setting out to oppress the citizenry.
They always, without exception, do it by first targeting someone the bulk of the populace thinks deserves it, and then only later incrementally expanding their reach.
He’s got two days left in office, of course he won’t. He’s got more important shit to focus his attention on.
But Trump will in 3 days, and then his buddy Musk can buy it up.
Buying assumes a willing seller, and I don’t think ByteDance are willing.
And better yet China will turn around and weaponize this against us. Forcing companies manufacturing over there to sell off their interest in the manufacturing plants Etc. This s*** can go both ways and everyone’s about to learn the hard way.
China doesn’t care. They have a good life over there. Don’t want to rattle the oligarchy we have here.
I understand the “but I like TikTok” crowd, but China bans US companies from operating in China all the time. Why is it all of a sudden a problem when we do it to them?
Because the US is supposed to be better than China.
Better at what exactly?
Everything. 'Murican exceptionalism, baby. Fuck yeah!
Fuck yea.
It makes a lot of sense from the perspective of the US, but a lot of countries will likely have the same debate about not only TikTok, but american social media sites and their influence on their democracies now. Especially giving the timing. Not only is Xitter known to shrug off EU regulations in actively pushing disinformation campaigns but apparently Facebook and Google are joining in too now. All the while there’s a war happening in Europe right now. The EU could make the wise decision to make the same demands to those companies that the US made towards TikTok. For our own safety.
The EU could make the wise decision to make the same demands to those companies that the US made towards TikTok. For our own safety.
I mean, they absolutely should.
Sad how we’re seeing people eager to ban software they don’t use.
It’s the same mentality for those who are cool with banning nicotine but not marijuana. “I don’t like it, so neither should anyone else!”
Unfortunately, I don’t hold you all above these accusations because I’ve routinely seen how immoral and selfish the masses are.
Russia and China are waging a war against the west, and we are standing with our pants down, pretending that everything is fine.
TikTok is a drop in the bucket, but we need to stand up and fight back against those who consider us their enemy.
No need to start shooting, but we should at least give Chinese corporations the same obstacles that they give US&EU ones if they want to do business in China:
Trade war*
Tiktok got banned because useful idiots perpetuated FUD that only exists to make rich Americans richer. Let me say this again for those in the back: Tiktok was only banned because the American ruling class wanted the whole pie. If you ever said or believed “national security” or “privacy” concerns without evidence, I’m sorry. You fell for propaganda.
Anyone who doesn’t understand this shouldn’t be taken seriously.
“It’s easier to fool a man than to convince him he’d been fooled.” - Mark Twain
Facebook had less than a million users in China before it was banned in 2009. It was struggling against domestic platforms like Webo.
TikTok has 150 million active monthly users and is one of the largest social media apps in the US.
Number of users is not a valid argument on this type of debate
The fact that a counter-intelligence campaign has so many users is exactly why it needs to be banned
Where’s the evidence that it’s “counter intelligence” I hear a lot of completely unverified claims that sound like 1950s reds under the bed nationalist hysteria
Misinformation is counter-intelligence, lots of evidence out there, search “TikTok misinformation”
Sorry, I meant disinformation : Disinformation is a form of offensive counterintelligence via deception and neutralization in order to strategically manipulate an audience or create further fractures in existing divisions. Disinformation strategies include leaking, lying, seeding, and smearing.
TikTok doesn’t have any worse misinformation and disinformation issues than YouTube and Facebook. And The latest policy changes in Facebook indicate they’re going to go squarely into misinformation without any fact checking.
Disinformation is an excuse to ban the platform. Zuckerberg has been lobbying Congress for a long time to ban them while pushing his platform to be able to do exactly what he claims they’re doing.
There’s a lot of reasons to hate TikTok, but this disinformation stuff is nothing but red herring to get them banned because they’re competition.
